Top 10 Anti-Inflammatory Foods | Podcast #197

Top 10 Anti-Inflammatory Foods | Podcast #197

November 4, 2019 7 By William Morgan


Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys.
It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here.
Evan Brand, happy Monday!
How are you doing?
Evan Brand: Happy Monday to you, man.
I’m doing great.
Summer’s going along fast.
I mean, it’s already like mid-August now,
and before you know it, it’s gonna be September,
October, November.
Then I’ll be complaining that it’s cold.
So—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know.
Can you believe it, man?
Time flies when you’re having fun.
Any uh— fun stuff happen this weekend for
you?
Evan Brand: Not— Not, I mean, every weekends
fun but nothing out of the ordinary.
You know, we— we did some hiking and-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -saw a bunch of butterflies and—
Oh!
We did get chiggers on us.
That was not fun.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [incomprehensible]
chiggers are interesting.
Yeah.
Evan Brand: It was two weeks— Not two weeks,
two hours picking chiggers off of us.
They were so small I had a little magnifying
glass.
You literally could barely even see it.
At first, I thought it was ticks.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!
Evan Brand: It’s small.
And so now, we’re all covered in chigger
bites.
But besides that, We’re doing good.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent.
Very good, man.
Yeah.
Doing a lot of water skiing this weekend,
uh— enjoying Austin.
It wasn’t quite as hot as it normally is
in the summer this weekend so it’s pretty
fun.
Evan Brand: That’s great.
Yeah.
you’re gonna— You’re gonna miss out
on the uh— the water.
I guess I have to revisit the water.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Absolutely.
Well, let’s dig in, man.
Let’s talk about our top ten anti-inflammatory
foods.
So we make a lot of recommendations to patients
on, you know, certain foods, and— You know,
we tend to follow like a Paleo template, right?
And the Paleo template is nothing more than
utilizing anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense,
and low toxin foods.
And we typically— Animal protein, the quality
component’s also factored in, right?
Organic, pasture-fed, you know, antibiotic-free,
hormone-free.
Animal products can have a lot of really great
nutrient density, right?
A lot of people that are plant-based, they
kind of miss out on that.
Do you know, uh— I got a lot of conversation
to people on nutrient-density.
So, for instance, 500 calories and grass-fed
meat packs a lot of nutrition, right?
You can get 500 calories of grass-fed meat
in about eight ounces of meat, which is pretty
reasonable, right?
A lot of people, they’ll go out and they’ll
get like a sev— you know, a six to eight
ounce kind of Filet Mignon, or a bigger Rib
Eye.
Lot of good nutrients there.
To get 500 calories of Kale, you got to consume
16 cups of Kale.
That’s a lot of Kale!
Most people would never consume that much.
So the nutrient density is easier in some
of these animal products, and it’s easier
to get.
It’s easier to access.
Most people couldn’t do 16 cups of Kale
in two days, let alone one day.
But almost anyone could do eight ounces of
grass-fed meat at one meal.
And I’ll— Typically, if I go to a nice
steak restaurant, I’ll even do— I’ll
even do 16 in one meal for some good Rib Eye.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Let’s talk about why.
I mean, why is it so important?
You got to have these nutrients to—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: For one, you got to stabilize
your blood sugar.
And so, if you’re not getting good fats-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -good proteins in, you must stabilize
in blood sugar.
And then, two, all the different-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.
Evan Brand: -micronutrients in amino acids
that you get from your meats.
Those go into fuel hormones, and neurotransmitters.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: So this is why like Vegetarians
and Vegans, they come to us so often, but
they a lot of times have a mental health issue,
like an Anxiety problem.
And it’s because they have no protein in.
Or if they do have protein, as you mentioned,
it’s beans.
And then they have a bunch of digestive problems
‘cause they’re eating like cups of beans
a day.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
So when we look at animals, right?
Animals have a great ability to concentrate
plant matter.
So part of the reason why a lot of animal
products can be superfood is because they
concentrate plant matter.
Number two, if you do organ meats— organ
meats.
If you look at like— Just Google like Vitamin
A, you know, animal versus plant.
I mean, you’re gonna see a lot of the plant-stuff.
It’s— It’s beta-Carotene and uh— precursor
compounds, right?
These mixed Carotenoids, these beta-Carotene
things, they have to get converted.
Right?
It’s not active Vitamin A. But if you get
animal-based Vitamin A, whether it’s from
Cod liver oil or actual liver— liver glands
but they weren’t from good quality grass-fed
meat, it’s already activated.
So a lot of these nutrients are ar— already
activated in animal-based forms.
And number two, they’re— they’re concentrated,
right?
Part of the reason they’re concentrated
is because the animals concentrate plant matter
as they grow.
If they’re— you know, if they’re like
a natural kind of sustainably farmed type
of thing, they’re gonna be grass-fed, and
they’re gonna have access to it.
We’re not talking about the CAFO feedlot
thing.
A lot of these, you know, documentaries, you’ll
see like cow-spiracy.
They kind of just like lump in all animal
products are like this, and they— they pretend
like there isn’t another option over here
that uses organic and kind of like naturally
farmed uh— protocols-
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -to make it work,
right?
Evan Brand: Yup, well said.
Let’s talk about gut real quick and then
we’ll get into the food.
So, if your-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -gut’s inflammed, you’re gonna
have a leaky gut situation.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: You and I measured this on Stool
testing.
We look at levels of Calprotectin.
We look at secretory IGA.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: And if your gut’s inflamed,
you’re more susceptible to pick up infections.
So bacteria and parasites, and worms, and
everything else that we see, if you’re gut’s
leaky because your gut’s inflamed because
you’re eating inflammatory foods, that’s
a big like Domino effect.
And you could take all the herbs in the world
to kill your infections but you have to have
an anti-inflammatory diet at the base of it.
Otherwise, it won’t work.
I’ll just give an example.
I did a case review this morning with some
clients.
And they’re vegetarians.
And I’ve been really trying to get them
to eat animal proteins but they won’t listen
to me.
The biggest foundation of their diet is grains.
And we’ve looked at their IGA levels, and
their IGA levels are still terrible.
Now, we did clear some infections, but they
have a bunch of parasites.
And, I don’t think they’re be— gonna
be able to heal their gut if they stay a hundred
percent vegetarian.
All they eat is like salad three times a day,
and then they poop out undigested leafy greens.
It’s like your body’s trying to tell you
something, but they won’t listen.
So—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: E— Exactly, and
that’s a really important component.
We talked about some of these foods.
There’s lots of different ways and mediums
in which these foods can be consumed— soup,
or smoothie, or— or juice, or sauteed, or
cooked.
[inhales] I think it’s really important
that you— one, you should be able to digest
and break down these foods.
Like, some people may say, “I have a really
terrible experience eating meat.”
Well, why?
Right?
Your digestive system probably stinks, and
that’s why you have a hard time breaking
it down.
Your hydrochloric acid and enzyme levels probably
aren’t good, so you can’t break the amino
acids down in the meat.
So, typically, when patients are like that,
I say, “Hey.
Eat the highest amount of meat that you can
handle without any negative consequences.
That may be an ounce, right?
And then I’ll say, well, let’s try making
it so it’s broken down even better.
Maybe use a soup type of form, where everything’s
broken down, cooked, peeled, mashed, sauteed.
That way, there’s the— the least amount
of stress on your gut to extract these nutrients.
So when we go into our top 10 list, it’s
not gonna be an order of like, you know, ones
being the best, 10’s being the worst.
We’ll just kind of give you our top ten
categories, and from there that you guys can
uh— figure out what works for you.
But in general, uhm— the cooking method
may be really important.
LIke Evan said if you can’t processthe—
the leafy greens and such and you see a whole
bunch of stuff in your stool, that may be
a problem.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Y— You got to do something.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Big time.
Evan Brand: Let’s dive in.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright, cool.
So off the bat, I will just say, we’ll just
kind of go into our animal products.
I would say, grass-fed meat, uhm— and grass-feds,
you know— or not grass-fed, but I would
say, like Wild-caught Salmon, uhm— Cod,
Haddock, fish that are very high in Omega-3’s
that are more wild-caught are gonna have excellent
amount of Omega-3’s.
And along with grass-fed meat, which is gonna
have a very high amount— amount of Omega-3’s
because the grass increases the Omega-3 content
and decrease the Omega-6.
Omega-6 is a more inflammatory kind of arachidonic
acid 2 pathway, or prostaglandin E2 pathway,
more inflammatory.
So if you get more of the grass-fed, you’re
gonna increase the Omega-3’s in that anti-inflammatory
fat.
Evan Brand: yup, and the good thing is, you
can actually measure this.
If someone wants to get their blood checked,
you could do like an Omega-3 or Omega-6 blood
test, and you can look at your ratios.
What we saw prehistorically was closer to
1:1 ratio, Omega-3 to -6.
Now, it’s something crazy, like 20 times
higher Omega-6 in the diet versus Omega-3’s
‘cause there’s peanut oil and other Omega-6
rich oils and all the foods that you eat at
restaurants.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Totally.
So, I’m gonna put the— I’m gonna put
the uhm— the high-quality Salmon and the
Omega-3 fish on there.
I’m gonna put the grass-fed meat on there.
I would even go into high-quality saturated
fats like Coconut oil.
Coconut oil’s gonna be an excellent one,
especially if there’s any inflammation.
Most people can tolerate Coconut oil.
I’d even say some could probably even do
butter.
BUtter can be really anti-inflammatory.
But some people may have a reaction to the
small amount of Lactose or Casein in there,
so Ghee may be better.
But the more inflamed you are, a good quality
saturated fat Coconut tends to be very helpful.
And it’s very heat stable too, so the cooking
of that won’t oxidize it and make it a—
a free radical-based fat, [crosstalk] like
transfat.
Evan Brand: Yup.
I would add Avocados to the list while we’re
talking about fats.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Evan Brand: I do an Avocado, not everyday.
II did get obsess with Avocados for a bit
and started getting migraine headaches from
them.
Maybe sometype of Histamine reaction or—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: …or Polyol reaction.
I’m not sure what it was but uh— I believe
isn’t Avocado a FODMAP?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It is.
It’s a moderate FODMAP.
It’s also a monounsaturated fat, so it’s
a good one.
It’s that good meme on the Face— Facebook
I— I see a lot.
It’s just great.
It’s like an— an Avocado looking in the
mirror like having a conversation with himself
and he’s like, “You’re fat,” and then
he goes, “But you’re a good fat.”
[laughs]
Evan Brand: Exactly.
I love that one.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Is it a great
little meme?
So I like it.
It’s a good quality fat.
Lot of good nutrient density in there.
And not even good g— egg yolks next.
Eggs and/or egg yolks.
Uh— I would say, some people that can’t
tolerate eggs may still be able to tolerate
the yolk to a lot of good fat-soluble vitamins.
So I would go to the eggs and/or egg yolks
next.
And again, just to be clear to everyone, if
we— if we don’t highlight the quality,
the quality’s always assumed to be the highest.
So pasture-fed, you know, organic, you know,
cage-free, of course, will be assumed uh—
with all the quality of foods we talk about
here.
Evan Brand: There’s a huge difference.
Some may say a note about that.
There’s a big difference even between certified
organic eggs and certified organic pastured
[crosstalk] local—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: So like the Whole Foods Organic
Eggs, the yolk is still pretty yellow, but
we get these local eggs.
There’s a pasture like 20 minutes from here.
The eggs are— the yolk is so orange, you
can’t even believe it.
You’ve never even seen a yolk like that.
So if you guys haven’t sought out a local
farm, go on the website Eat Wild.
Just Google “Eat Wild” or “Local Harvest”
and type in your zip code and you can find
all sorts of farms, and you could probably
find farmer’s markets where you’re gonna
get legit— legit quality.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
And— And Joe Salitan who runs Polyface Farm,
he’s taking some of his pasture-fed organic
eggs.
He sent them to the lab, and he actually compared
uhm— conventional eggs that he bought at
the local grocery store near him.
And, then again, this is— I haven’t seen
the lab analysis, but uh— I trust Joe.
He said that the Folate levels in his eggs
were 20 times higher than the conventional
eggs.
Evan Brand: That’s amazing.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I mean, it’s
like, let’s say, you do spend twice the
amount of money on something— Let’s say
you don’t even get 20 times more.
Let’s say you get three or four times more
nutrition in certain parts.
Is that worth it?
I think so.
Evan Brand: Absolutely.
Well— So I posted on my facebook page last
week.
I just put up a podcast with Stephanie Seneff
all about Glyphosate.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: It’s a really good episode.
And I told people that of you’re not eating
a hundred percent organic, that you’re slowly
killing yourself.
And the lady said that— that I was in an
elitist and I was an a-hole, and all these
other mean names, and it’s because I told
her that if you can afford a new iPhone, you
can afford to pay the extra 1 dollar to get
organic versus conventional.
I don’t think that’s elitist.
That’s just saying, “You could probably
spend the extra buck because if— if you
don’t spend the extra dollar now, you’re
gonna spend more money later down the road
when you have a health problem caused from
that food that was lower quality.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
It hits a lot of people’s hot buttons because
it’s— the argument really is about priorities.
Right?
It’s w— where things are more important,
money tends to go, right?
The problem is, there are a lot of people
that kind of have an entitlement, where they
expect optimal health but they want to put
zero time or money towards it.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And like if you read
Micheal Paulins book— I think it was The
Omnivore’s Dilemma.
He talked about the amount of money that we
use to put towards our food in the 1950’s.
It was about 18% of our daily income— or
our yearly income.
And then, today, it’s been down to 9%.
So what does that mean?
We’re allocating 50% less of our resources
to healthy quality food.
I think that’s part of the reason why, you
know, we’re sicker as a country, is that
we want cheaper, more convenient food, which
tends to be more processed and more inflammatory,
and less nutrition in it.
So there’s a sense of entitlement out there,
and we’re just trying to fix the entitlement
by, one, inspiring people and motivating them,
and number two, giving them the education
of like—alright, “Where can I get these
things?
Which foods are the best from a nutrient density
anti-inflammatory stand point.
And then piggybacking on that, the Monsanto
had a big lawsuit.
Uhm—They came back Friday night to take
a 290,000,000-dollar lawsuit with this uhm—with
this gentleman up in the bay area who was
spraying pesticides.
He worked on the school, and he would spray
pesticides and he ended up getting this Lymphoma
that was directly correlated uh— connected
to the Monsanto uh— Roundup Glyphosate he
was spraying.
And it’s interesting— I want to just kind
of go off this reef one sec— is the attorney
from Monsanto is saying, “Hey.
We have 80 studies saying it’s totally safe.”
But they still ruled on his favor because
the evidence was so compelling.
So my question is, “How the heck do you
have such strong evidence where a judge is
gonna rule on your favor, which is so hard
against a Monsanto team that has like the
best lawyers, probably teams of attorneys,
to rule against them, when you have 80 studies
saying it doesn’t?
That kind of makes me second guess how these
studies could even be created, where you can
manipulate the sample size.
YOu may not have a great group to compare
it to.
Maybe you’re not giving an accurate amount
of the dose of Roundup because you’re not
comparing all the different foods.
How the f— The fact is, how can you get
80 studies saying it when now you have evidence
that people are actually uhm— coming down
with it.
That’s— That’s a scary part.
That makes me, let’s just say, second guess
a lot of conventional scientific research
out there from all kinds of different mediums,
from various procedures and medications and
drugs.
Evan Brand: Yeah, well said, and so just to
clarify for people, if something is not marked
organic at your grocery, you can assume that
it is sprayed with Glyphosate.
We have millions— hundreds of millions of
pounds sprayed in the US each year, and it
really should not be called conventional food.
I should really be called chemical, and then—
So there’s the chemical section and then
there’s organic.
It shouldn’t be conventional because that’s
not conventional.
Conventional was organic just a short time
ago.
Now, organic has to be labeled organic but-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: Your grandparents ate conventional
in the 1940’s before Glyphosate was invented,
and that was organic back then because Glyphosate-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: -didn’t exist.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And here’s the—
he’s part of like the reason why a lot of
this stuff’s skewed.
RIght?
If like, you’re Monsanto, and you’ve invested
billions of dollars into a product, and you’re
researching the product, what are the odds
are that you’re gonna come up with negative
information— let’s just say, shutting
down this product, like sho— like showing
that it’s negative and bad and harmful?
Now, again, a perfect world would happen is,
it would— you may— you may kind of like,
you know, manipulate the study a little bit.
A lawsuit like this happens and then, it sends
a signal to every company.
“No.
We got to be really careful because we don’t
want to be shut down with a massive lawsuit
like this that would cripple a company.
. Number two is, if I’m like, you know,
Josh Mo, scientist at a university, and I
want to do a study at this— looking at the
safety of Glyphosate or Roundup, how do I
get the ability to do a study on that?
I have to license that product, that chemical,
from Monsanto.
Would you think Monsanto’s gonna license
that product to me to use in the study?
Probably not.
This is what becomes, This becomes really
hard to— to know the safety of some of these
things, where it’s a little bit more ay,
easier to do a study on Vitamin C, or an herb
because there’s no major patent or massive
company behind it.
So it’s easier to study nutrients and herbs
because it— they’re just out there in
nature.
There’s no patent on it.
No one has exclusive rights to it.
So I think it’s easier to believe some of
the plant or nutrient or vitamin-based research
out there.
But when you have a licensed product that
people have invested billions into, it’s
harder to get unbiased research on those compounds.
Evan Brand: Yup.
Agreed.
So, eat organic is the goal.
Check out the podcast with Stephanie because
it will make you just really understand why
are we having so much trouble digesting Gluten
and dairy and it’s because of the Glyphosate
is replacing a Glycine amino acid in the profile,
so the protein literally becomes indigestible.
It’s mind-blowing!
It makes perfect sense, and this is why so
many dog foods are going grain-free and a
lot of these cat foods are going grain-free.
It’s ‘cause the pets can’t digest the
food either because the food has Glyphosate
in it.
That’s why these cats and dogs are having
allergy problems and Cancers.
A lot of pet cancers.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense,
and we a little kind of— We went off the—
the beat and path here for a sec but I think
it’s important to highlight this because
if foods have these various residues, even
if it’s on our top 10 list here, it may
not be a good food for that.
Evan Brand: yeah.
And a lot of our listeners are already smart
cookies, but if you see natural or something
that does not mean anything, if you see organic,
that is organic.
That is a certification.
It’s completely different than natural.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Little different,
yeah.
Evan Brand: Yup.
Go for organic.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You can make that
claim.
There’s a little more behind that claim.
Evan Brand: Let me say a couple things about
coconut.
You mentioned coconut oil.
I would tell people too.
If you— If you like it, or if you’re looking
for a swap, and you’re not doing well, with
like Almond milk or if you’re still drinking
conventional milk, coconut milk, you can do
a full fat coconut milk.
YOu can use that as creamer in your coffee
if you have to have it.
You could do uh— just coconut butter is
awesome like coconut cream is great.
So there’s or just eat a straight coconut
and eat the meat of the coconut.
There’s a tons of benefits.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Now, let’s go onto some various herbs that
we can add with our foods.
Uh— Big fan of Curcumin or Turmeric, as
well as Ginger.
And if any of my patients are listening, they
know how much I like the Ginger tea and how
important it is for helping with bile films
and also helping with inflammation reduction.
So, Ginger’s excellent.
And then also Turmeric or Curcumin, which
is kind of the concentrated kind of active
compound in Turmeric is great for inflammation.
I have a liposomal Curcumin uh— a Liposomal
Curcumin because a lot of Turmeric isn’t
quite well-absorbed in the powder forms, so
the liposome helps with the absorption.
That product’s called Curcumin Supreme,
but in general, these— these can be excellent
ways to reduce inflammation by adding the
spice to your food, uh— supplementing with
it, and/or doing a Ginger tea or a Ginger
Kombucha can really help reduce inflammation
in your body.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s great.
I would say Cinnamon would be one to add to
the list, too, of things you should have.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: For blood sugar too.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
I love using Cinnamon to help with stabilizing
blood sugar.
There’s actually-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -some blood sugar supplements
that have Cinnamon as an ingredient, so that
show you how powerful it can be, not only
as a spice or a flavoring, but just for if
you’re having issues with hypo or hyperglycemia.
You could definitely look into it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely.
Let’s go into some various nuts and seeds.
I mean, there’s some really good seeds.
Chia seeds are great.
They have really good Omega-3 content.
Omega- 3 is that anti-inflammatory uhm—
fatty acid.
Uhm— So we have Chia the Chia seeds in there.
We also have walnuts, which are excellent
for Omega-3 fatty acid content.
Uhm— Are there any other seed— We have
Flax as well, which has some good Omega-3
content.
We had got to be careful with a lot of the
plant-based fats.
The plant-based fats that are the Omega-3-based
tend to be more Alpha-linolenic, which has
to get converted to a 20-carbon EPA, or Eicosapentaenoic,
which then gets converted to Docosahexaenoic,
which is the 22 Carbons.
So it goes 18-Carbon to 20 to 22.
And this process of adding two Carbons and
two Carbons basically requires certain enzymes
to be there and can decrease the conversion.
So, that’s why the— the animal fats tend
to be a little bit more superior on the EPA
and DHA side because of the conversion process.
Evan Brand: ‘Cause you’re avoiding the
conversion process, you’re saying?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Yeah.
you’re bypassing the conversion process
when you’re doing animal products.
When you’re doing plant, there is a conversion
process.
Now, the less inflamed you are and the more
Insulin-sensitive you are, the more you can
convert that.
So there’s an enzyme called delta-5 desaturase.
Should it delta-5 or delta-4?
But that enzyme is involved in that Alpha-linolenic
to Ecosapentanoic conversion, and the more
inflamed you are and the more Insulin-resistant
you are, that enzyme downregulates and decreases
the conversion.
So you get less of those good quality anti-inflammatory
Omega-3’s.
Evan Brand: Makes sense.I’d like to add
pumpkin seeds to the list.
I’ve been-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very high in Zinc.
Evan Brand: -feeling so good with pumpkin
seeds.
I found a brand that’s organic, just a little
touch of salt on them, and I do great with
those, and most people can tolerate those
quite well.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent.
Very good.
Now, if we go to some of the fruits, I mean,
I would go to the more nutrient-dense lower
sugar fruits ‘cause high sugar in— in
higher forms can be inflammatory just because
it increases Insulin, and it causes these
Advanced Glycation End Products.
So we got to be careful with the sugar component.
So I would say things like uhm— Blueberries,
uh— Raspberries, uh— Blackberries, Strawberries—
There’s a lot of research with blueberries
and the various bioflavonoids helping our
neurological tissue, our neurological health,
decreasing Alzheimer’s and Dementia.
Uhm— So a lot of these nutrients have a
lot of phytonutrients, a lot of antioxidants.
Some haven’t been studied enough to even
know the health benefits of, so I think it’s
always good to keep some of these components
in there to maximize antioxidant levels and
overall phytonutrients.
Evan Brand: I would throw in the Citrus a
bit too.
Some Lemon, some Limes could be great.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: I do that in the morning.
A lot of people say that they just don’t
have an appetite to drink water, or just,
they don’t like the taste of it or something,
so they just don’t drink much, especially
a lot of teenagers that I work with.
So I just tell them, “Make a little homemade
Lemonade.
Do a dash of Stevia or Monk Fruit, Lime, Lemon,
and drink it, and that can be great.
There’s a ton of benefits to that.
And even some of the heavy metal detox protocols
that I’ve learned-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -the companies recommend that
the client drinks Lemon to help during the
process, so that’s pretty cool.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Absolutely.
Is there anything else?
So then we also have like our green vegetables.
And then again, a lot of these green veggies
are gonna be very high in Sulforaphane, uh—
Diindolylmethane, uhm— a lot of various
antiCancer uhm— es— antioxidant compounds
that are gonna be very helpful.
This can be our any green leafy vegetable.
It can be Bok Choy.
Uhm— It could be Broccoli.
Just really good leafy greens, color greens—
very anti-inflammatory, very antiCancer, very
uh— Estrogen metabolite type of uhm— to
Estrogen metabolite detoxifying compounds,
I would say.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
And we weave and use Broccoli extract in some
of our protocols, so there’s actually really,
really good solid evidence on the helping
with Estrogen metabolism.
So if you’d have any type of uh— Phthalate
or plastic PA type exposure, which everyone
has, then Broccoli extracts, or just eating
Broccoli or Broccoli sprouts are awesome.
I have a friend who actually makes a lot of
different sprouts.
He grows them and sells them at the farmer’s
market, and people loved that stuff, and they
feel so good.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great.
That’s great.
And also say, uh— bone broth and/or organ
meats, kind of put them on the same category
‘cause they’re more like deeper internal
type of uhm— nutrient compounds.
So, bone broths, you’re gonna get from either
like uhm— a Crock pot or you’ll buy the
bone broth or you’re doing Instapot with
high quality, good animal bones in there,
and/or organ meats, too, where there is liver
or some glandular tissue.
It’s gonna be excellent, lot of good vitamin
A, lot of good fat soluble nutrients and bone
broth is great ‘cause you can sip it and
it really helps with the gut lining.
It’s very high in Glycine, which is one
of those uh— components that I think is
affected by Roundup or Glyphosate, right?
Glyphosate, it affects Glycine, right?
What was the mechanism Stephanie Seneff said?
Evan Brand: So— Yeah.
It— I believe the— So the Glyphosate,
it is uh— I believe it’s a Glycine molecule
that has something extra added to it.
So, it replaces a Glycine.
It’s like the body thinks that it’s Glycine
but it’s not, so that’s why it’s so
dangerous.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I imagine it may
block some of the effects that Glycine would
normally have on the body.
Evan Brand: That’s right.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Glycine has a lot
of beneficial effects at helping to be a backbone
for Glutathione, so I imagine that Roundup
or Glyphosate probably decreases Glutathione
function.
And I imagine it probably decreases the enterocytes
that line our gut, ‘cause I know there’s
research that in— increases gut permeability.
I know Glycine’s really important for gut
function.
Correct?
Evan Brand: Yeah.
That would be the mechanism.
She did talk about that.
How it does— not only does it increase the
leaky gut situation but it also increases
blood-brain barrier permeability, too.
So, if you have a leaky gut, you have most
likely have a leakly— a leaky brain as well,
which is not good.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we’re getting
some questions in here that are inquiring
about like, “Oh!
If I get Glyphosate toxicity, what will I
do?”
I mean, I would say, liposomal Glutathione
is great and/or just a lot of the Sulfur amino
acids to make it.
So, like, we have products that we use that
give concentrated Sulfur-based amino acids
like Glycine, Glutamine, uhm— Cysteine,
Taurine.
So then, these Sulfur-based amino acids can
get converted to a lot of these compounds
and they run our Phase-2 Cytochrome P450 oxidase
pathways.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
So, uh— Samuel had asked about a product
form Zach Bush called Restore.
I’ve had clients who’ve been taking Restore
for over a year.
I tested their levels of Glyphosate.
These were people who said they’ve been
eating organic, so we know they’re getting
no new exposure to Glyphosate.
They’re not using it around the house, and
they’ve been taking Restore for a year.
Their levels wer— we’re still off the
charts.
So I’m not convinced.
I know he’s done some research on— on
his own about gut permeability, which is awesome,
but I’ve seen the data firsthand, testing
people, and Glyphosate levels are still high.
Now, I don’t know what their levels were
like before they started that product.
So maybe their levels were—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] It could
have been higher.
Evan Brand: …higher.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.
Evan Brand: And maybe it reduced it 10 times,
so I’m not against it.
I think it’s in the category of things that
might help.
Can’t hurt.
But it’s not the ultimate cure-all.
I talked with Dr. Shaw.
He says sweating is key, and then Stephanie
said that Fulvic acid is one of the best binders
to— to soak it up and so I’ve been using
a couple different tinctures lately to help
with heavy metals, and it happens to have
Fulvic acid in it.
So, that’s kind of the go-to.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s excellent.
So, in general, a lot of the Sulfur amino
acid compounds I think are good to help with
Glutathione.
Uh— I think getting liver-tonifying support
in herbs, whether it’s Silymarin and Milk
Thistle or Dandelion root or red root— things
that support lymphatic flow are gonna be helping.
Uh— Good sweating, good Fulvic acid, minerals—
It hink all that’s gonna help.
Evan Brand: I want to say the last food, and
it’s sweet potatoes, and it’s because
everyone is against-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm—
Evan Brand: -Carbohydrates so much, and sweet
potatoes changed my life.
When I had adrenal problems, I was going so
low carb, and I couldn’t handle the stress
of it.
I believe my— my adrenals may have been
just too weak to adapt to Ketogenic— maybe
I’m wrong, maybe there was something else
and my gut infection’s weakening me, but
when I just added in a small sweet potato,
just a couple times a week, that was the—
Carb read feed at dinner time that I needed
to really help me-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -sleep better.
And then once I slept better then I had more
energy during the day.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and I think,
you know, we got to look at your situation
as you’re definitely leaner and more Insulin-sensitive.
So, just remember, if you’re an Insulin-resistant
individual, right— uh— maybe a little
bit overweight, hip-to-waist ratio is off
a bit, that may not be the right advice for
you.
But if you’re in a place where you’re
more Insulin-sensitive, you’re at a better
weight for yourself, it couldn’t be— It
couldn’t hurt trying it and just seeing
how things like your sleep improve.
Evan Brand: You’ve got Vitamin A.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: You’ve got Vitamin B5, B6—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Potassium, uhmhm—
Evan Brand: Yeah, Potassium, Riboflavin—
I mean, there’s a lot of good B’s in your
sweet potatoes.
I want to hit this question up, and I didn’t
mean to distract if you have something else
to say, but there was a question, or just
a comment, from Gary, and he mentioned that
the dilemma is you talk to the cardiologist
nutrition people and they advise , basically,
the opposite of what we’re saying.
However, if you listen to functional cardiologist,
like Justin and I’s mutual friend, Jack
Wolfson—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Jack Wolfson, yup.
Evan Brand: He’s a Board-Certified Cardiologist.
Guess what he’s dietary protocol is for
all of his patients.
It’s Paleo.
It’s a Paleo template, and he reverses heart
issues with the Paleo template.
So you can’t pay attention to the conventional
nutritionist that are trained by big Pharma.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And just remember,
when we— when we talk about any dietary
advice, we don’t talk about a diets.
We talk about a template.
Evan Brand: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that template
allows us to take meat and bring it downstrip
below ‘cause their digestion maybe really
messed up or sensitive.
Ratch it up all kinds of things like bone
broth and healthy fats and— and plant proteins
or plant nutrients, right?
So we have in a template type of methodology.
We have the ability to customize macronutrients,
to customize the digestibility aspect of these
foods to help someone out.
So, it keeps us in a position where we’re
the least automatic as possible ‘cause we
have— we’re not handcuffed to a diet,
if you will.
Evan Brand: Right.
Yeah, well said.
Uh— There was uh— comment here from Eva
that you probably like to hear.
“Hi, Justin.
Wanted to say my nightly light cramps are
gone since I started to take magnesium malate
three times a day.
That’s cool.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great.
Really cool.
Excellent.
Evan Brand: Has a question here about Charl—
from Charlie, “Grass-fed beef but grain-finished
beef still optimal?”
No, it’s not.
You want a hundred percent grass-fed, grass-finished.
They do the grain at the end because it helps
to add some fat and marbling to it, but I,
personally, like grass-fed and -finished.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, if you
don’t have the ability to get that because
you— you only can get the grass-fed but
grain-finished, just at least make sure it’s
organic so then there’s gonna be a less
Roundup or no Roundup in the grains at least.
So then you have at least that aspect.
Evan Brand: That’s a good point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: There’s a good question from
another person.
My son had GALP He eats grass-fed meats, organic
chicken.
He’s Gluten dairy-free.
Any thoughts?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uuuhm— Who’s question
is that one?
Evan Brand: Iit just says BC.
There’s no name, just initials.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.
Got to— I’m trying to find that question.
Evan Brand: It was near the top.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, got it.
Uhm— So in general, I would just say first,
goat tends to be driven up by fructose.
Okay?
So, fructose can get converted to Uric acid.
And again, it’s Fructose.
We had a lot of questions about this.
So, like, “Dr. J, what’s— what’s Fructose?
It’s Fructose.”
No, it’s not.
It’s Fructose.
I got a big conversation with Dr. Robert lustig
at the University of California, San Francisco
about it.
It’s Fructose.
Uhm— But in general—
Evan Brand: I’ll just start saying it like
you then.
I wouldn’t say Fructose.
I’m gonna have to correct myself now.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Oh, he was like, “Dude, it’s Fructose.”
I’m like, “Alright.
I’ll say Fructose from now on.”
Uhm— But in general, with Fructose, that
can be the big driving factor of Uric acid,
alright?
That can be the big one.
So, they may need to go.
They may need to decrease some of the Purine-rich
meat to start, so a lot of the Purine-rich
meat may be the organ meats, may be the higher
fatty meats, in the meantime, while they get
the carbs down and they cut the fructose down
beneath like 12 to 15 grams per day.
And then—
Evan Brand: And then grains too, ‘cause
she said gluten-dairy free but she didn’t
say [crosstalk] grain-free.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Of course, grain-free—
all that.
Get all that stuff out of there.
I’d even do nightshade-free as well, and
make sure the Carbs are very low and the Fructose—
the Fructose is low as well, below 13 grams.
And then start from there.
Evan Brand: And alcohol.
I’ll get rid of alcohol if they’re doing
it.
There are people could, “ Oh!
I’m organic, gluten-free!”
And then they drink two glasses of wine at
night.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.
Yup.
So I would start with that and then I’ll—
the alcohol as well, and then see how it goes.
Evan Brand: Alright, let’s keep going here.
Thanks for the feedback, Mary Anne.
Uh— Did you see any other questions?
I think that was most of them.
We— We hit Samuel.
He was asking about the supplements to eliminate
Glyphosate.
I commented on that already.
And then, Em-Em here.
Do you know of a good d— desiccated glandular
supplement?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So desiccated glandular—
So it’s got to be— So it’s got to be
porcine.
So for my thyroid support, thyroid balance,
I have one.
It is— It’s got some active thyroid constituents
in there, so it’s something I only recommend
to someone that needs it and has lab testing
to support it.
So, that’s a good product but it wouldn’t
be necessarily recommended in unless there’s
Lab Testing saying that you need it.
Evan Brand: Yeah, good point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: Uh— Last question here form
Roshan, “It’s becoming evident.
My Hypochloridia’s due to loose pyloric
sphincter that let’s acid rain too soon.
Exercises involving abdomen, worsens at immediately
anyway to treat this.”
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
So, number one, just getting the stomach acid
and the enzymes up uhm— will help with that.
Number one, it will help—
Evan Brand: [incomprehensible] will work better,
you’re saying?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
It will make it work better, I mean.
So, they’re saying that the pyloric sphincter—
so that’s the sphincter that goes from the
stomach to the small intestine.
Uhm— That is opening up soon.
So I would just get the food digested better.
You could always throw some bitters in to
help as well.
But I get that sphincter working better by
getting the right pH there, and that tends
to help in obviously like the low-hanging
fruit, like not eating when stressed and such.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Not eating in a rush-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -not scrolling on Instagram while—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Chewing your food
up enough.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
A lot of people have terrible eating habits.
You know, my clients, I tell that I want them
to eat in peace and they laugh and say, “But
that’s so boring.”
It’s like, what are you doing then?
And they’re like watching TV, playing on
their phone, reading the newspaper, and like
in an argument with their friend, all at the
same time while they’re eating.
It’s like, “No wonder we have a digestion
problem epidemic.”
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
I mean, I would just say, if your digestion’s
better and good and you’re feeling good
after your meals, you can obviously cheat
a little bit with some of those recommendations.
But if your digestion’s not good, then you
want at least give yourself that 10-15 minutes
of peace.
Evan Brand: It’s easy.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: Five minutes before the meal,
chill out.
Five minutes after— you know, try not to
rush through the meal.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
And then, what can help a Hiatal hernia is
on— one, there’s some uhm— visceral
manipulation technique that maybe an Osteopath
or a Chiropractor can do.
But get rid of the inflammation in the gut—
typically, infections, H. pylori, SIBO, and/or
make sure the digestive support is on track.
So you actually have the right amount of nutrients
to right enzymes and acids to break your foods
down so you can digest it and absorb it.
Evan Brand: I had a Hiatal hernia one time,
and I think it just disappeared ‘cause I’m
not bothered by that part of my—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Yeah.
Evan Brand: I don’t feel anything anymore.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It could have been
infection-based.
So let’s kind of summarize a lot of the
foods.
And again, in no particular order just ‘cause
uhm, you know, all these foods are gonna be
part of diet and they— they should all be
there.
I would say, bone broth.
I would say Ginger, Turmeric.
I would say a lot of your— your lower sugar
fruits that have high bioflavonoids and phytonutrients
with low levels of Fructose.
I would say, you’re grass-fed meat.
I would say your Salmon and your good quality
fish, and such.
I would say you good fats, like Avocado, Coconut
oil, good saturated fat.
You’re Chia seeds, your Flax seeds, your
Walnuts, your Avocados.
Is there anything else, Evan that you want,
and then obviously you’re non-starchy green
vegetables.
That could be Bok Choy, Kale, Spinach, Celery.
Evan Brand: Pumpkin seeds.
Don’t forget—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Pumpkin seeds.
Pumpkin seeds.
Is there anything else you wanted to add to
that list, Evan?
I think good quality hydration.
Evan Brand: Uhmhm— Don’t skip out on that.
A lot of people do a lot of teas and a lot
of coffee because they don’t do Soda, which
is great, but you can’t skip the good high
quality water because tea and coffee— they
are diuretics, so—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Evan Brand: Organic coffee all day, great!
But, okay.
You got to drink water, as well.
How simple.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bingo!
I guess that’s excellent, Evan.
Well, hey!
Today was a great podcast.
Appreciate everyone listening.
Head over to thyroidresetsummit.com.
We got a Summit coming out, end of the year
to probably be in January.
We’re moving it back a little bit to get
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And, Evan, anything else you want to say?
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Anything else, Evan, for you?
Evan Brand: Uh— People can reach out if
they want to.
Schedule a consult with you, your site.
And they also— you also have those supplements
mentioned on there.
The Curcumin Supreme.
That’s at justinhealth.com.
And then, if you want to check out my site,
consult with me, evanbrand.com.
We love helping you all.
We really appreciate the feedback.
Take good care of yourselves.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Evan, you have a great
day.
Everyone out there, have a phenomenal week
too.
Evan Brand: See you later.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bye now.
Evan Brand: Bye.