Ketosis, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol & Fat Loss w/ Ken Berry MD

Ketosis, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol & Fat Loss w/ Ken Berry MD

November 1, 2019 54 By William Morgan


hi everyone welcome back to the channel
today I have a very very special guest
I have dr. ken berry on I’m going to let
him introduce himself and after he’s on
with that we can get started on some
questions super super excited to have
you on today so welcome to the channel
hey thanks a lot for having me
so I’m Ken berry I’m a board certified
family physician
I’ve been practicing family medicine for
almost 13 14 years now and I’ve seen
thousands of patients in that time
obviously and I have a YouTube channel I
have a Facebook page I have a book on
Amazon called lies my doctor told me you
guys are welcome to check all that stuff
out with my current love that has been
for about the last three years is using
the ketogenic diet and intermittent
fasting to help people lose amazing
amounts of weight if they have weight to
lose and then to optimize performance in
other ways if you don’t have the weight
to lose awesome yeah definitely that the
ketogenic diet and intamin fasting has
become so popular over the last few
years
incredibly popular actually and all over
the internet you can just see people’s
transformations losing over a hundred
pounds sometimes so it’s it’s pretty
amazing that that we have a tool like
that available but with very popular
methods of losing weight and dietary
interventions which might be seen as a
bit eccentric comes a lot of controversy
and a lot of doubt about the safety of
it and what exactly it is and just going
against the grain of what we’ve thought
for years and years and years so I want
to focus today’s video mainly on the
ketogenic diet we’re talking about
fasting as well I guess but first how
about you go on and define exactly what
it is and then we can get into some
questions about it so there are multiple
definitions of the ketogenic diets the
one that I have the best success rate
with in my clinic with my patients is
what some people might called lighten
called lazy keto or unstructured keto I
don’t I don’t believe in doing a lot of
macro counting I don’t believe in doing
a lot of just you know busy work I
believe in hitting the 90 percent
eighty percent as the rule goes that’s
going to get you the most results and
and so for my patients I’ve got I’ve got
a little ketogenic guide book handout
that I give them and we do questions and
answers and it’s basically 80ish percent
fats 15 ish percent protein and five
percent ish carbs and then if you can go
lower on carbs comfortably I’m happy for
you to do that because I feel like the
lower the carb counts the lower your
blood sugar stays therefore the lower
your insulin level stays therefore the
faster you burn the fat on your butt and
on your belly and in your liver and
pancreas if you happen to have some
there and so what I really don’t like to
give people a lot of busy work and I
also try to make my ketogenic diet as
inexpensive as possible I don’t think
you need to buy any products and he
pills any powders any potions I don’t
think any of that stuff is necessary to
do the ketogenic diet properly where I
practice medicine is a is a very low
socioeconomic status community there’s
not a lot of money and so I tell people
everyday you can do keto with hot dogs
and mustard you don’t have to have grass
fed you know $18 an ounce beef from from
the organic market that’s not necessary
now obviously ideally we’d like you
eating organic and grass-fed and you
know what I’m saying
but that’s not necessary because at this
point in our history of Western society
anything is better than the standard
diet so even going a little bit
ketogenic it’s infinitely better than
the standard fare that most people
ingest every day right so do you think
it’s cutting the Cubs which is a really
good thing or inducing a state of
ketosis which is a good thing yeah
that’s a great question and I think a
lot of people get hung up on this and
therefore you have to keto sticks the
urine sticks you have the the blood
monitors you have the now the
breathalyzer that checks your ketones
and your in your breath I think that
everybody’s there getting caught up in
the minutia and they’re missing the
point but and especially for if you’re
just trying to lose weight and correct
your
to diabetes and correct your insulin
resistance perhaps prevent dementia
perhaps treat depression and anxiety the
entire point here is to keep your blood
sugar as low normal as possible which
therefore is going to keep your insulin
level as low normal as possible because
insulin is is insulin and glucose going
up in hand-in-hand is basically the
definition of chronic modern disease all
the chronic diseases are based on that
model and so yeah I think that having
ketones in your blood I think that’s
important I think ketones it’s been
shown in several studies that they
enhance performance and that they
enhance lots of things and so I think
that there is there a benefits to that
but you may or may not know I don’t
really endorse or recommend any kind of
exogenous ketones I don’t think they’re
bad I don’t think they’re dangerous I
just don’t think they’re necessary and
especially with my patient population of
people who don’t have a lot of money to
spend it’s not necessary you just have
to eat a ketogenic diet and obviously
the root you know the definition of
ketogenic is inducing ketosis or ketones
but true there’s a there’s a bell curve
for this right and if you’re eating the
standard American diet of the standard
Western diet you’re so far away from
that that any move towards a ketogenic
diet is a positive thing in my book and
then once you get over the hump and you
get down on the good side of the curve I
think that the benefits almost become
exponential right um a few questions
that what do you think about MCT oil
just as an example I think it I think
MCT oil is wonderful I think if you
can’t afford that though I think coconut
oil is fine and again I’ll keep saying
this over and over but I think it’s very
important to hear and to understand
coconut oil is good enough if you can
afford MCT oil and if you can afford the
next step up then that’s fine
do that but coconut oil is good enough
because that’s way the hell better than
you were doing before right saying the
same goes for butter if you can afford
grass-fed grass-finished butter that’s
fine get that because that’s a little
better though mega 3 right
much better there’s no doubt about that
but if all you can afford is the cheap
generic butter that’s still infinitely
better than margarine and canola oil so
yeah you see my point I mean it’s like
yeah that’s a that’s a giant leap
forward and then when you can step up to
grasp it or when you can step up to MCT
definitely do so but that’s not
necessary to do this dieting not because
I see a lot of people who get
discouraged because they can’t afford
the MCT or they can’t afford the ketone
meter or they can’t afford it’s like
yeah you don’t need that you don’t need
that at all to do this diet right so
what do you think about calories
calories in calories out because they’re
proponents of something called if it
fits your macros which is basically you
have a Sun macronutrient ratio you have
a certain amount of calories to hit who
do you think this is okay for do you
think no one should be doing this at all
and everybody should be going to a
ketogenic diet what’s your general
opinion on that if it’s well formulated
I think the people who count macros now
religiously are the same people who used
to religiously count calories and they
are the type of people that just need
something to count there but you know
that’s that’s the personality style and
there’s nothing wrong with that but I do
absolutely think as I think your
question hinted to that if you’re too
hung up on macros then you still perhaps
subconsciously believe that calories
matter and I just posted a video on the
YouTube page a few days ago that I mean
I’m as blunt as you can be calories are
meaningless calories don’t matter at all
okay I’m very keen to get into that
because that’s super interesting so yeah
let’s say we used one of those
calculators online surely they’re not
that accurate but you get and all your
statistics as closely as possible high
body fat percentage and let’s say
somebody needs 2200 calories to maintain
their weight but you put them on a
ketogenic diet and you put their
calories above that does that mean that
they’re going to be gaining weight or
not and why because that’s a very kind
of a debatable point that yeah it’s
meaningless it doesn’t mean either way
you we’ve been playing the calorie game
for the last 60 years and it has never
worked
I don’t believe that any of that matters
I believe what matters is doing the diet
and then if you’re trying to build
muscle working out those two things work
everything else is either myth or
minutia that’s that’s my opinion on that
I’ve never because I used to count my
used to be very slender and I used to
eat a ridiculous calorie surplus every
day and I did it for years and I didn’t
gain an ounce why would it be the case
though well here’s why the human body is
much smarter than me and you the human
body is much smarter than the average
doctor the human body has been playing
this game for eons of time okay there
we’ve went through periods of Plenty and
we’ve went through periods of famine
when there was nothing and so your body
is very adapt and increasing or
decreasing your metabolic rate it’s it’s
nothing for your body to increase or
decrease your metabolic rate by up to
700 calories a day right and so that
there are huge studies that show that
proved without doubt that calories are
meaningless
the woman’s Health Initiative in America
is a huge study done over more than ten
years of time and there was a 1/2 the
women ate what they wanted half the
other women calorie deficit every day
300 calories for a seven years and at
the end of that time there was no
difference in weight loss they both
weighed the same literally after seven
years of being a calorie deficit 300
calories every day for seven years they
weighed I think it was half a kilogram
less than the group who just eaten to
satiety it’s irrelevant it’s meaningless
when I was in medical school we studied
cell and molecular biology and
biochemistry and that’s what your body
uses your body does it is not a furnace
it doesn’t burn the food that you eat
that’s a that’s a gross underestimate of
the complexity of what happens in your
body what happens is is but depending on
which macro you ate it goes down a
different biochemical pathway right if
you eat fat it doesn’t go down the same
pathway as lettuce and that’s why 100
calories of bacon is not the same as 100
calories of lettuce you can never make
that argument
in an intelligent fashion anymore the
cats out of the bag
so yeah the it’s a the calorie deficit
or the calorie surplus theory of weight
gain and weight loss has been shut right
between the eyes and is dying a much
deserved death right so you’re you’re
kind of in support of the idea that
carbohydrates lead to increase in
insulin and insulin is gonna be storing
fat is that basically that’s
oversimplified obviously but simplify it
greatly that’s a good way to think of it
there the the hormone that’s in charge
of burning fat or storing fat is insulin
that’s not up for debate that’s proven
that’s been known for hundreds of years
in the in medicine we know that and so
if you have a ten-year-old type one
diabetic they don’t make any insulin at
all right and you can feed that type one
diabetic ten thousand calories a day and
you know what they’ll do they’ll lose
weight and they’ll keep losing weight
until they die without insulin no amount
of calories means anything you have to
have the weight gain hormone insulin or
it is impossible to gain the weight and
so the whole the whole premise of that
the actual medical premise of the kid is
genic diet is keeping your insulin level
low normal all the time and then you
burn the calories you burn the fat
that’s on your body and you don’t burn
the carbs that you would be eating
otherwise right interesting that make
sense and so there’s really insulin
insulin role in weight gain and weight
loss a lot of people act like oh no it’s
the ketones or it’s the know if your
insulin level is high you are going to
gain weight if you’re eating eight
hundred calories a day if you’re a type
one diabetic and you don’t make any
insulin and you’re not taking exogenous
insulin you can eat eight thousand
calories a day and you’ll keep losing
weight that’s it’s in a nutshell that’s
black and white that’s not open for
debate
that’s known and that’s just known
science and so when you we’ve been so
tricked by the calorie theory and the
calorie myth that we ignore that insulin
issue but when you think about it
like that with with a fresh mind you’re
like oh yeah we know that we’ve known
that for a hundred years that insulin
makes you gain weight and so there are
studies there was a study a few years
back done where doctors thought well
we’re gonna try to have very tight
control of type 2 diabetics blood
Sugar’s and we think that that’ll keep
them from having heart attacks and
strokes and so we put all these type 2
diabetics on insulin injections right so
that we can keep their blood sugar very
very low but they had to stop the study
because what was happening was the
insulin was making these people gain
weight even though they were eating a
calorie deficit and so they were having
heart attacks at a much higher rate
because they were gaining weight so they
had to stop the study for humane reasons
this has been proven both ways it’s not
it’s just it’s medical science but we’ve
been so blinded by this calorie bullcrap
that we couldn’t see the truth of the
matter that was staring us in the face
right um and would the kid agent kiddo
genic diet comes the whole controversy
about fat so saturated fat and
cholesterol was always thought to be
super super bad you know what causes
heart disease and all of that um the
evidence kind of shows otherwise today
except for maybe certain people with
genetic variations possibly um so I want
to ask you what’s the biggest kind of
controversy about the kiddo genic diet
you’re criticized for you hear about and
frustrates you a lot and well most
people quickly disappear when they try
to criticize me and then I kind of
hammer them with the science they tend
to they tend to scurry along right but
the problem is is when a human being
when when your entire life has been
lived in a certain environment then to
you that seems like forever and like you
just said you know forever we thought
that that saturated fat was bad for you
actually that’s not true we’ve only
thought that as a society and a culture
since the 1960 before that everyone knew
like there are old cookbooks and old
books about etiquette American books
that you know like the older women will
be telling the younger women if you want
to lose weight you need to cut out the
sugar and the star chips that’s how you
lose weight that’s just common sense you
want to get pregnant organ meats butter
all of that
it’s exactly right if you want to be
skinny and fertile you need to eat your
fat that’s it and that’s been known for
basically the entirety of human
existence when we were able to pass on
messages to each other but starting in
the 60s and 70s a fellow named Ancel
Keys which I’m sure you’re familiar with
this whole story he basically put out
some research that was based on false
premises and he but he basically faked
the research that’s what he did he
cherry picked and he he published what
he wanted to publish and he left the
rest hidden and that slanted the the
view in Western society about
cholesterol in saturated fat and
starting at that time is when we started
thinking that saturated fat was actually
bad for human beings for the entirety of
human history before that everyone knew
that saturated fat was the was good for
human beings that was literally the
first thing you would eat when you would
make a kill ten thousand years ago you
would eat the fattiest part of the
animal first and you would say the the
lane sinua meat for last or better you
would just give that to the dogs
hmm yeah definitely um but there are
still so many experts out there saying
the other thing I try to be very kind of
objective on my channel when I’m
interviewing people so I bring on people
even like dr. Michael Greger which I’m
sure you’ve heard right and they are
very very opposing views and it’s not
that I necessarily agree with that I’m
just trying to get every perspective so
the thing that does frustrate me though
and I have to say is that many of these
claims about saturated fat and
cholesterol are just based on population
studies and and it’s just that simple
idea that correlation does not equal
causation exactly that’s right just cuz
the popular you know and that that’s
what that’s the frustrating thing um and
I be surprised how many doctors you’d be
surprised at how many doctors don’t
understand what you just said yeah it
takes a while for on to get that yeah it
doesn’t even imply causation much less
prove it but for most doctors if you
show them a causation study they’re like
there you go that proves it it’s like no
dude it doesn’t prove anything
at all and actually you can go back to a
lot of the bigger causation studies or a
correlation studies and and you can use
their own data and crunch it
and show that the people with the
highest saturated fat intake actually
live longer and the people with the
highest cholesterol levels actually have
better all calls morbidity and mortality
numbers than two people with the lowest
cholesterol and saturated fat intake so
you can actually use their own numbers
against them they just chose to crunch
it in a way that seemed to show a
correlation but in reality you can show
the opposite correlation just as easily
with their data yeah things get a bit
muddled up as well when there’s a moral
agenda attached to it whether it be like
a philosophy on veganism as well and I
think that can get a bit a bit
complicated now I’ve had a lot of
criticism for that um yeah and
cholesterol has also been shown to be
correlated with less instances of
certain cognitive disorders which I saw
David Perlmutter which I’m sure you’ve
heard about talk about yes absolutely
and saturated fat monounsaturated fat
these are the fats good for testosterone
for example I mean we’re not so fueling
our entire body off of omega-6 causes
you you you may or may not know but I’m
sure some of your listeners don’t know
cholesterol is the parent molecule for
all the sex hormones yeah that’s what
testosterone and all the rest of them
they’re made from cholesterol your brain
and your your nerves are made of fat and
cholesterol right so is it any wonder
that when we started putting everyone on
a cholesterol-lowering statin drug 20
years ago that the dementia epidemic
took off I mean when you think about
this from ketogenic paradigm you’re like
well duh of course that’s what would
happen yeah yeah I mean when you when
you look at it and you just look at what
happened in the 60s 70s when obesity
really started to climb and then you
just look at what was happening to
people’s nutritional choices it’s kind
of obvious you know carbs go up and then
and I mean Cubs have actually gone down
refined carbohydrates since 1999 I think
I was reading Stephan Guin A’s book um
but you know sedentary lifestyles have
also gone up so it’s you know the thing
in nutrition is it’s never one thing
it’s such a complicated it exactly you
can never pin it down to one thing but
that definitely is not the problem um so
how do you do a kid a genetic diet right
because you can screw it up
time I mean if you don’t understand your
electrolyte balance if you don’t get
enough salt that can cause a lot of
problems so if somebody listening right
now has been a bit apprehensive about
selling but they want to start and do it
right how would they go about that so
yeah again I try to keep it very simple
if you’re a type 2 diabetic you can do
the ketogenic diet if you’re a type 1
diabetic then in concert with your
doctor close consultation with your
doctor you can still do the ketogenic
diet if you have heart failure if you
have definitely if you have fatty liver
or high triglycerides you need to do the
the ketogenic diet and so it’s it’s
basically just a high-fat diet very very
low carb and then I tell people just
like the protein take care of itself
because if you’re eating enough fat
you’re gonna be getting enough protein
unless you’re some sort of elite level
athlete then you might need to really
worry a little more about your protein
intake but that’s that’s it in a
nutshell yeah a lot of times people when
they switch from the standard Western
diet to the ketogenic diet they don’t
realize that they have so much
inflammation in their body and so when
you switch to the ketogenic diet which
is a very anti-inflammatory it lowers
your inflammation markers almost
immediately you start to pee off all the
fluid to urinate away all the fluid that
was held in the inflammatory tissues and
with that with that liquid with that
fluid goes a lot of salt and so for the
first week or two or three you can feel
kind of fatigued flu-like symptoms that
sort of thing it’s called the keto flu
or the Atkins flu and it just means
you’re not eating enough salt and so
basically the answer for almost everyone
almost on a ketogenic diet who’s having
problems either they’re not losing
weight or they feel like crap it’s to
eat more fat and eat more salt and it’s
not that eating more fat is magic
but when you eat more fat what the
reason that helps is because you’re
you’re triggering your satiety hormones
and by definition you have to be eating
fewer carbs if you’re eating more fat
because you just don’t have room for
more carbs so you stay you’re you get
full quicker and you stay full longer
that feeling of fullness like I’m not
hungry but then also if you’re not
hungry you’re
not eating any carbs at all and so that
really is the answer and a lot of people
you know it anytime there’s a new theory
like this everybody’s taking off and
running you know there’s this whole
group of people who are running with the
exogenous ketones trying to make a
million bucks and I understand that we
try all try to make money but then at
the same time there are people like oh
the fats magic just eat pure fat but
it’s more complicated than that like you
in it you know you alluded to earlier
this is any human nutrition issue is
infinitely complicated there are so many
confounders and so many variables but
but basically my I’m what I’m trying to
do is hit the 80% and and you know from
from stoicism and and other philosophies
like that you’ve heard of the ID 20 you
know very well what that means and so
I’m trying to hit the 80% and and ignore
the 20% because people love to get off
in the eddies of the 20% and just chase
their tail until they get frustrated and
then quit and so I try not to even
mention the 20% stuff let’s just focus
on the 80% and do that so eat lots of
fat and use salt liberally and if you
feel bad use more salt and if you’re
still hungry or you’re not losing weight
than eat more fast right and that solves
virtually every problem because once you
understand and I don’t know if you’ve
heard of dr. the Mikkel Antonio he has a
book called the salt fix amazing look I
highly recommend it if you’re still
afraid to eat salt or you’re afraid that
salt will raise your blood pressure or
give you a heart attack you need to get
dr. Dee’s book the salt if you’re not
eating it if you’re not eating enough
salt it causes way worse problems
exactly right yeah and again when you
crunch the numbers the people with the
lowest sodium intake die sooner that’s
been shown in multiple multiple studies
the people who eat the most salt and eat
the most fat live longer and have less
dementia and ablis heart attacks and
stroke
that’s what all the research has been
showing for the last 50 years if you
just crunch the data right everything is
kind of flip now salt isn’t bad whew
cholesterol is in badly saturated fat is
bad for you so when people look at that
in the hair that they think surely we
didn’t get everything wrong but for the
last 50 years just about everything
wrong and it hasn’t been forever
because again you that paradigm I’ve
never heard this before so therefore
it’s never been said before that’s very
short-sighted what we got a look is look
at before 1950 basically before 1950
nobody was afraid of salt before 1950
nobody was afraid of fat it just wasn’t
a thing if you just said oh you should
need so much saturated fat back in the
30s or 40s they would have lapped you
out of the room they’re like what are
you basing that on where’s your research
and so at any point someone with enough
huevos could have stood up and said in
the 70s or 80s where’s your research
show me the research that proves that
and then I’m gonna crunch your numbers
and make sure it’s right this could have
all went away twenty or thirty years ago
but nobody had the wherewithal to stand
up the challenging mmm it gets
complicated when money’s involved as
well and there’s a whole lot of money
and religion fouls everything right yeah
you can do all the religious fervor or
like the vegans you know they they have
a true religious fervor which I respect
very much I mean it’s very impressive
the religious fervor that they have that
allows them to ignore blatant facts and
latch on to you know to correlations
that that may or may not be true yeah
definitely um that’s an interesting
topic one that we I could go on for four
hours but we won’t go into that today um
let’s let’s talk about ketosis and keto
adaptation because this is something
that’s often muddled up as well because
when you wake up in the morning you can
be in a slight state of ketosis but you
can produce some ketones because that’s
basically your liver glycogen depleting
but there’s a big difference between
being in a state of ketosis and being
adapted to fat so what’s the difference
between those two I’m not so sure that I
believe in a difference between those
and here’s why the reason when you wake
up you’re you’re more likely to be in a
state of ketosis because you fasted all
night right and so you’ve depleted your
glycogen so you’re burning fat so I
don’t think that that that alone proves
that really there’s no real there’s no
real necessity for a keto adaptation you
fasted overnight and you were in ketosis
you didn’t have to adapt you did it in
eight hours you were so
so you’re saying it’s just based on how
many ketones you’re producing so it’s
just like like ketosis deep ketosis is
that sort of exactly right yeah the
longer you fast the deeper into ketosis
you get and then I think that eating fat
perhaps in some way retrained your body
but I think basically you’re eating all
the fat and it’s keeping you full so
you’re just not eating the Karp’s I
think it’s gonna be very interesting
which way that plays out as to which one
actually ultimately becomes the the
proven fact of the matter is I don’t
think we know yet yeah obviously none of
this has been researched in any
meaningful way cuz it’s brand it’s it’s
very old but it’s also brand new yeah
yeah all zones of the impression that
for example somebody who is been
following the ketogenic diet for a week
for the first time may be fueling their
brain off I don’t know 30% ketones and
then after four weeks that increases up
to 78 or 80 percent as your body becomes
more efficient at using fat right and
that’s a theory right and disagree with
that I think there may be some truth to
that but it also wouldn’t surprise me if
there’s no truth to that at all because
what about that person that that slept
for 12 hours I mean they’re they’ve
depleted their glycogen I said I mean
they should just die because their brain
has no energy they should just have a
stroke and die right no no they don’t do
that they just immediately convert to
ketosis and they burn the fat on their
booty to power their brain or otherwise
they would be you know they’d be
retarded when they woke up they would
have had a mini something bad would have
happened to their brain but it didn’t
happen right what about people that you
know someone slipped them of a sleeping
pill the rohypnol or something and they
sleep for three days they should be
brain damaged when they wake up because
they haven’t had time to keto adapt
yet they’ve had to they’ve had no sugar
intake for for three days and you know
their glycogen depleted so what happened
there how did they not wake up brain
damaged so that’s then so I’m not trying
to argue with the other side of this
issue I’m just saying we all need to not
let’s not let’s not build our castles
too quickly let’s not say this is why
because you get in ketosis and you’re
you’re ketones are point eight and
that’s what counts
or you know the more the way I believe
no I think that’s irrelevant I think
actually what’s going on as your insulin
levels very very low let’s not be
enemies about this let’s say well maybe
you’re right maybe I’m right but let’s
start doing some meaningful research and
in the in the meantime let’s keep
helping all the thousands and thousands
of people who are getting their life
back by doing the ketogenic diet as it
stands undefined we don’t have to define
it as long as it’s working and people
are literally having life-changing
improvements with this diet let’s not
start arguing among ourselves because
all that’s gonna do is slow down the
good benefits that we can help other
people attain yeah
I agree but I think that once once
something is working in the Roza results
are pretty like profound researchers get
interested in it and once reaches that
researchers get interested in it and
it’s a complicated topic then it gets
all over the place it does you’re
exactly right but there’s no reason why
in the true fashion that scientists are
supposed to do things and the example
given to us by the last 50 years that’s
how you don’t do it you don’t you don’t
do it with threats and when I’ll ruin
your career and you’re an idiot that’s
not how you do this you do this with
collegiality and you you you collaborate
you don’t you don’t try to wall off and
say I’m right and you’re wrong and you
can go to hell that’s not how you do
this and that’s that all that’s gonna do
is slow down the benefits that just a
random guy on the street yeah exactly
it’s not about being right it’s about
that person who needs the results right
that’s exactly right that guy who’s on
the verge of having a stroke doesn’t
have to have a stroke that guy who’s
type 2 diabetic and is about to lose a
foot who doesn’t have to lose that foot
that’s what this is about hmm um last
thing I want to talk about is gonna be
athletic performance because not that
many of my viewers a really big or
type-2 diabetic a lot of them are
lifting weights a lot and really really
active and one concern is that
carbohydrates are super important for
performance especially an aerobic
performance lifting weights and
high-intensity interval training and I
think that’s true to some extent so what
would you say to somebody who’s very
physically active there sport
yep
lifting weights is important to them and
they’ve seen in their own life when they
go into a state of ketosis their
performance goes way down what’s the
solution and so you’d that that there
may be something to that there may not
there may be a genetic predisposition to
need carbs for high performance and
someone else might not need high carbs I
don’t know yet but I do know that more
and more elite level athletes are using
ketosis for and actually breaking the
records there are elite level athletes
who are using intermittent fasting and
are doing their heaviest workout while
they’re fasting because basically that
bumps their testosterone and their HGH
up to the point where it makes carbs
look silly it’s like oh would you rather
have you were gonna be carb loaded or
would you rather be testosterone and HGH
loaded I don’t know I think I’d probably
prefer the latter but I don’t know if
you’ve heard of dr. Sean Baker he’s
North feeding surgeon he’s on the Joe
Rogan mantra yeah yeah he’s getting
carnivore actually chit-chatted back and
forth on Twitter he’s eating nothing but
meat which by definition is zero carbs
four years three years four years and
he’s 50 now and he looks 40 and he
competes at the 30 35 year-old level and
he hasn’t been his obviously hasn’t
carb-loading cuz he hasn’t eaten a damn
carb in three years so how it first of
all how’s he even able to get out of bed
in the morning because he’s not carb
loading to exert himself to get out of
bed secondly how is he able to actually
he’s beaten all of his old records by
being a carnivore eating zero carbs and
so that sort of thing maybe there’s a
genetic variability there some people
who can’t do that I don’t know but I
think it’s very sexy to think that the
human organism is so complex that maybe
there’s different ways of being your
best self but if we don’t need to we
don’t need to make fun of dr. Baker we
need to learn from him but we also don’t
need to make fun of the guy that eats a
huge plate of spaghetti before he goes
to his athletic event because maybe he
knows something that we don’t know about
his particular genetic subtype and so I
think that this is a really amazing time
to be alive and to be
this arena and to see what’s happening
with human nutrition and human
performance because if you had said five
years ago or ten years ago how you know
you can eat nothing but meat it’d break
all your old records you’d have been
laughed out of the room but now there
are people and he’s actually got a kind
of a unofficial study going with
thousands of people who have loading
something to that I don’t know yet what
it is yeah I think the biggest thing
about the human body is that it can
adapt right I can adapt over time to
anything you you you give it I mean it’s
just like some sort of natural disaster
that would happen in the in the
wilderness you know your body wouldn’t
just die would it would start to adapt
to that circumstance and I find
personally as well training fasted at
the gym so much better I like to come
yeah I like to kind of compare it to
back in I don’t know cavemen days where
you’re going out you’re hunting you
don’t have any food and your body’s
forcing you to perform the best so
you’re able to get food so I think of
like hunting perfect thinking about this
yeah and ask the carb loader so let’s go
back in time thirty thousand years right
yeah and you’re in the cave and you
haven’t eaten in three days and so it’s
you know it’s getting tight I mean
you’ve got to you’ve got to get with it
you’ve got to be successful and so your
body but yet you haven’t carb loaded so
you’re gonna have no energy you’re just
gonna have to lay in the cave because
you have you have a carbon coma yeah
what that’s ridiculous no if anything
the human body like I said is smarter
than the average doctor the human body
is gonna get better the hungrier you get
the better you’re gonna perform and I
think I think I hungry I mean low carb
intake I think that’s what that means
yeah it’s really interesting I like
going back in giving the evolutionary
perspective on them because I think that
will give us a lot of insight into it
flies in absolutely absolutely right
yeah um okay I think well I think we’ll
wrap it up there but this has been
really interesting again tell everybody
about your channel your book and where
they can find you and definitely go and
check out Ken’s content it’s really good
so I do most of my work on YouTube and
on Facebook I have a Facebook page that
can be buried dot
and my youtube channel is can be Barry
MD with no dots and then I also have a
book on Amazon both in paperback and
Kindle called wise my doctor told me
medical myths that can harm your health
and one of the lies obviously is that
cholesterol is bad for you another lie
is that you need lots of servings of
whole wheat there’s all these
nutritional lies that doctors have told
patients for decades that are baked
backed up by no science whatsoever and
so you know it’s a doctor’s job to kind
of be an expert in the care and function
of the human body and if you don’t even
know what the feeding human but yet
you’re giving advice then in my book
that’s a big fat lie and so that’s why I
wrote the book called lies my doctor
told me because if you don’t know what
you’re talking about you need to shut up
but but and so if you want to know what
you’re talking about you need to be
actually been reading the research not
just reading the summary or the
conclusion of this paper or taking the
expert opinion because that’s what all
the nutrition stuff has been based on
for the last 60 years is expert opinion
that’s not science okay that’s just some
dudes opinion who happens to currently
be in charge of something that doesn’t
make him any more rights than your
hairdresser if she told you something so
yeah why’s my doctor told me that’s the
book you know I’ve got a couple other
books in the wart worker that works
right now that’ll that’ll hopefully be
out in a few months
awesome good stuff sorry this is just a
supply that keeps ya know it’s been
great to have you on the channel
hopefully we can do this again sometime
when this fly absolutely yeah sounds
yeah any time man I love talking about
this stuff can you tell yeah yeah it’s
definitely me too
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