Dr. David Jockers – Ketosis and Cancer Prevention – Podcast #139

Dr. David Jockers – Ketosis and Cancer Prevention – Podcast #139

November 6, 2019 1 By William Morgan


Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there it’s Dr.
Justin Marchegiani welcome back to Beyond
Wellness Radio. We have Dr. David Jockers
on the show. David, it’s great for you to
be here. How are you doing today?
Dr. David Jockers: Justin, so awesome to be
on with you. I’m so in a form of a fan at
your show so uhh- so great to be on with you
and actually make it to you know- your show!
And then uhh- be on a chat with you.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I appreciate
that. I’ve been following your blog posts
for years. I saw you on a treat about cancer
with uhh- the thigh bones your series. I appreciate
that, lots of good knowledge bombs there.
Really excited to bring a lot more info to
the listeners today.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah. Absolutely! You know
that was uhh- quite a privilege to be on that.
And, what a movement! The truth about cancer
to just getting that message out. Uhh- I mean
people are starting to really realize wake
up to the fact that, there are natural strategies
for you to intake in order have you not cancer
to obviously get well. Whether they’re going
to take a conventional route right in alternative
rather in a sense, combination which is more
of like help a lot of people is in this combination
of conventional as well as using natural strategies.
So uhh- so it’s been huge.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it! And the great
thing is you are also a clinician. So you’re
working with patients as well. The nice thing
is, it’s not just theoretical jargons so
to speak. You’re actually applying these
to the patients that you’re seeing in your
clinic in Georgia which is great. And, one
of the things that you’ve been doing and
applying is Ketosis. So I’m just curious,
how are you integrating that in with your
clinic? As well as, how are you integrating
that in with the cancer patients too?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah, absolutely! So, I
mean, Ketogenic Diet is so powerful for its
facts on the mitochondria, reducing inflammation,
and supporting in a sensuous help in about
person have better metabolic flexibility.
So it’s always a goal that I have. But,
as you know, you know the different cases?
You know, some people are going to struggle
to try to apply Ketogenic Diet in their really
phases. So, typically with auto-immune patients,
I focus more on- in elimination diet still
including yeah- a little bit more carbohydrates
you saying things like carrots, you know,
nutrient-dense sources varies seems like that.
And I’ll get a lot of people that with auto-immunodeficiency
and leaky gut that will say, “Okay, how
am I going to get in the Ketosis by applying
this and I was- so, I mean, that’s truly
not our goal right now. In general, it’s
you know, just like you talked about; Hey!
It’s a Paleo template so it’s gonna be
a lower carbohydrate go in hands and the anti-inflammatory
nutrition plan. But the goal is in as early
Ketosis whereas, when I’ve got somebody
that has cancer. You know, early on I mean
“Hey , I want them producing ketones and
utilizing ketones because of the incredible
therapeutic facts it has on reducing cancer
cell division right. So basically, it’s
something that goes down. It’s gonna lower
cell division and that’s just so important.
So basically, we’ll start implementing that.
Now I like to do it in a nutrient-dense fashion.
So, a lot of people would go out and you know,
get and find information in Ketogenic Diet
and it’s more like what’s being taught
of in times of more like an Atkins Diet? And,
I really try to focus on getting a ton of
micronutrients in and you definitely can do
it on a low-carb diet if you use herbs, if
you use non-starchy vegetables; you can juice.
You can apply a lot of your different techniques.
Certain things from the Garcin therapy right
which has tremendous results using things
like coffee and a moss, and juicing and a
nut. You can take elements of that, you can
take elements of Budwig and kind of put them
all together in a very low carb, high good
fat template uhmm- to get a desired result.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah people don’t
understand right? They think like, “Oh a
Paleo Template” or like hear Ketogenic,
they just think a whole bunch of meat. People
forget you know a lot of times on a Paleo
Template or Lower Carb Paleo Template. How
you keep it a lower carb is you would really
exchange it in a lot of the greens and a lot
of the starch for vegetables, non-starchy
vegetables which are nutrient-dense, low in
toxins uhmm- they’re going to have lots
of phytonutrients which are lot of these compounds
that you’ve talked about or anti-cancer,
right? The Diiodomethane, the Indole-3-Carbinole.
Really good nutrients to help metabolize estrogen
and again not just an all-meat diet but then
again, meat is going to be very nutrient-dense
as well that’s going to have a lot of good
Amino Acids in there. A lot of good fatty
acids especially were coming from the assumption
that this is grasped organic high quality
antibiotic-free. So you’re going to get
a lot of nutrient-densely from that as well.
So, I like the fact that you’re really focusing
on the nutrient-dense. Yeah I think Atkins
kind of missed that because well, you know-
soil proteins are also lower carbs too, right?
That may not be the best food, so I like how
you kind of differentiate that.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah absolutely! Like for
example, I mean it in the Paleo Movement,
the Atkins Movement, you know- we talk a lot
about- a lot of people who use things like
bacon. Whereas, the problem there is, bacon
really has very little micronutrients in it.
It may have a lot of good fats , right? And
so- it coud be Ketogenic but it does have
now the micronutrients in it and when we have
highlight process meat; we’re gonna have
a higher amount of Heterocyclic Amines and
Acrylamide and different things like that.
So, you know- we apply it. You know I’m
a real big stickler on how the person prepares
their meat so, you know- one reason why a
vegetarian or vegan diet maybe beneficial
for a period of time for somebody with uh-
cancer would be because; we are taking out
some of these environmental toxins like heterocyclic
amines that are produced with a high heat
cooking. (Which is healthier between grass-fed
beef and frying meat) A lot of times we tell
somebody, you know- eat grass-fed beef were
not necessarily differentiating on how they
prepare that so they may be barbecuing it
and producing a lot of these compounds. So,
I am a big on making sure they put it on the
pan, put a whole bunch of coconut oil or MCT
Oil down. I would tell them, put it- put down
the oil to where- you know be so generous
with it to whether it’s like a quarter inch
of oil on your pan. Okay? So, that way, in
a sense- Oil is going to protect against the
really high heat, breaking down the proteins
and creating things like acrylamide and heterocyclic
amines and then cooking it low and slow right?
So, cooking it in a more a lower temperature
for a longer period of time is gonna be a
lot better.
So, yeah I will do more of a moderate protein
diet not high protein. Okay, moderate protein.
That’s critical! We need the amino acids
for the immune system but at the same time
we don’t want to overstimulated M2O or we
also don’t want that gluconeogenesis process
or the protein; amino- protein is broken down
into glucose and elevate blood sugar. So,
moderate protein, lots of micronutrients right?
So, Lots of cross super fetch vegetables.
I’m a huge fan of sprouts. So, you know-
a cancer diet we want to be consus sprouts.
So I tell people to go and get, go to their
whole foods or heath foods store. You know
if they can’t grow it in their own? Right
I may be a big step for people at first. So,
yeah obviously can create their herb garden
and regrow sprouts but you know what? You
can just go to your health food store and
I’ll tell them they should be going through
you know, small little container sprouts every
single day. So mong bean sprouts, broccoli
sprouts, kale sprouts, be putting those sprouts
into your diet using a lot of herbs so they
should be able to smell the meal from the
next room. Right? So much oregano, basil,
thyme and the things like that. You know those
flavanol, antioxidants, that are indoles some
polyphenols? So powerful for improving cell
communication and you know- Cell communication.
The breakdown on cell communication- one of
the biggest factors that initiates cancer
growth and polyphenols are one of the best
things for improving that cell communications-
lots of those things in our diet.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it! Totally make
sense coz- you talk about the polyaromatic
hydrocarbon, the heterocyclic amines and the
things that happened in our cooking. Now kind
of my approach is- I try to high temperature?
I sear in a minute or two, sear in a minute
or two and then pull it off and then bake
it on a lower temperature their form not charring
coz- It’s the aspect of you wanna seal the
flavor in the high heat but then you don’t
want to keep it on there and let it char and
develop those cancer causing things. So, for
me it’s like I get half my grill not you
know-there’s no flame? The other half there’s
a flame. Let that heat up for like 5 or 10
minutes. I get that to about 500 degrees.
Sear, sear then pull it off, then raise it
above and put it over the flame where there’s
no- put it over the part where there is no
flame. That way, it cooks the middle part.
So, i appreciate that and that’s a really
good point. Also, adding in those vital nutrients.
I think that was Dr. McCauley said, any of
the advanced glycation end-products that you
get from the charring aspect that you just
eat a whole bunch of vegetables and ad some
of those herbs on there like you mentioned.
That can easily just negate those too. So
when you combine things up, you can negate
some of that too, right?
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah! Totally! And,
I’m a huge fan also of so you prepare your
meat and then you squeeze lemons on there
or lime or you can do lemon juice, lime juice.
You get a mutual benefit. You get a really
combination of benefits there. Not only do
you get the antioxidants especially, when
it’s fresh squeeze- which we best get the
vitamins you get the vital flavanoids right
on there. Then you put herbs on top as well.
But also the lemons got citric acid or if
you use an apple cider vinegar that acidic
acids can start the digestive process before
even get into your body. And you know Justin,
may I hey. The more we can take stress off
the digestive system the better we’re gonna
stimulate nutrients, less-inflammation, were
gonna curr less energy we got to put in to
digestive track. Therefore, the more energy
we are going to have left over for immune
benefit right? To help regulate and run our
immune system. So, I love lemon pepper chicken.
I mean using lemon, lime, apple cider vinegar,
on meat anyways it tastes better right. And
uhmm- and you get those benefits
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah I was watching
some of your wife Angel with doing a lot of
recipes on YouTube – really, really good
stuff too. I was checking out the recipe on
homemade breast milk or homemade milk for
the child if you can’t have enough uh- And
I know you guys had twins like a year to go
so I know that’s gonna be hard right? That’s
gonna be a supply issue there with just so
many kiddos.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah absolutely! Having
twins.. That was uh- our initiation into parenthood.
So, it was like all of a sudden. And you know
crazy thing is, we were only met- we were
married for 6 weeks from we conceived. And
she had that been diagnosed with Endometriosis
whom us told we would have a lot of struggles
having a baby. I’ve been working with her,
helping her balance out her hormones. Okay,
but we just didn’t even expect that it would
happen that quickly. We got married and had
our twins within the same year and so, it
just kind of this initiation at parenthood
and uhm- basically she had trouble producing
enough milk for both. So, we need to create
a formula and there’s not a lot of good
ones out there. And so, you know- as quickly
as possible I’m jumping onto a westonaprice.
Looking at their recipe, learning on how to
do it. Fortunately, we’ve got a great grass
fed milk formula out here. So whenever we
get our milk our boys tolerated it so well,
and of course we had our probiotics in there.
And uhm- just a whole bunch of different things
cod liver oil, all kinds of good stuff there.
And our boys are so well-developed. And, you
know- then there are stapled food. I mean
they were getting- up until an she’s stopped
being able to lactate at about 6months and
even up until then they were getting like
25% breast milk, 75% formula. So..
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Damn. That’s great
and I’m an empathetic uhh- my younger brothers
are twins. My mom had myself, and then my
younger brother Matt, and then she wanted
a girl and she got twin boys. So, it’s just-
I lived through that, I saw her right. So-
I know it man you are uhh- you are going through
a lot. I get it you know. I’m not worthy
doing so good man. That’s good. Good for
you.
So I appreciate the recipe your wife’s doing.
I saw it somewhere, and were really, really
excellent. Very good stuff. And the couple
of thing he talked about the Advanced glycation
end-products. Which you kind of refer to it
as like the polyaromatic hydrocarbons, the
heterocyclic amines but also, we get that
same type of reaction that glycation that’s
happening internally with excess sugars. So
that’s- We have one aspect where we can
create it in our food right? Which is like
the glycation’s like. If you pull out the
blow torch in the rest on and they do the
crumbule in front of you. That browning blasted
glycation that happens in your food but also
in yourselves. The best thing about kind of
your approach; what you’re talking about,
is you avoid the internal glycation . Can
you talk more about that?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah absolutely! So basically,
we know that sugar is something we absolutely
need. All of ourselves in the sense we need
some level of blood sugar. If your blood sugar
drops to zero, you’re not gonna live. So,
we have blood sugar body has certain regulatory
mechanisms to keep your sugar elevated to
a certain degree. Well at the same time, the
more that we are running off a glucose metabolism
or glycation. The more anti- you know it’s
really an anti-nutrient, the more damage is
actually causing the body. So, we want minimal
reliance on glucose when we are at rest. You
know obviously if were working out exercising
at a high intensive, were gonna need more
of it- were gonna need that. We’re gonna
need that. Our body will adapt to actually
create more stronger antioxidant defense system
when we do that . Thats one of the reasons
why high intensity exercise can be really
beneficial. However when were at rest like
you and I here we are, we’re just having
a conversation. We should be burning 99% fat
and ketones. That’ gonna keep really that
glycation impact low. And we know that sugar
in general- I c-I call it basically it’s
dirty fuel. Right? So we produce. It’s a
very very low gas mileage in a sense. We produce
2 ATP from Anarobic Metabolism. So ATP, I
then and see try a fast fit so our major molecule
event energy. We produce an amount of metabolic
waste. And o it’s just powdering out smoke
right that you know- tons and tons of smoke
out of the exhaust. That’s basically what
it’s like. Whereas when were burning ketones
which basically our liver converts fatty acids
in te ketones and the ketones are what we
use for energy. And so when our body is using
these ketones, we produce a rampant amount
of energy in very little metabollic waste.
So we get a lot of better mileage overall.
So basicall, we want our bodies to be very
good at burning both. When it’s very good
at burning ketones for energy and glucose,
it will preferentially use ketones as long
as we create an environment where glucose
in general stays at a moderate level. As long
as were not spiking it with high carbohydrate
meals. Okay, then were gonna have that metabolic
flexibility to our bodysays, “you know what,
at rest, while I’m having this conversation
with Justin here? I’m gonna burn these ketones
up because they’re just better for my body
theyre uhh- again, they’re cleaner fuel
I might need a lot of more and I’m gonna
produce a lot less toxic waste as oppose to
when I go. Because after this interview, I
actually- I’m off for my workout so I’m
gonna go do some heel sprints and uhh- and
squat jumps. And so, good high quality you
know- really good high intensity workout?
So while I’m doing that- I’m huffing and
puffing my body’s gonna switch over and
start burning up that sugar, right? during
that period of time and as soon as I’m done
with that exercise and I caught my breath?-
back in the burning ketones.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes 100%! It’s the
seen versus the unseen. Because if the ketones
are there, if we are doing it dieterally,
we get these awesome fuel source that’s
really clean, right? so, if we got sugars
like diesel fuel, right? You drive behind
a diesel truck and we got high octane race
fuel from the ketones. We get the ketones
tht are high but when the ketones are high
we have to have the insulin low for the ketones
to be high. And when the insulin’s low,
that’s a strong promoting growth factor
for cells. And cancer basically is cell growth
kind of unchecked, right? Where you can go
in the pub med and just type in hyperinsulinism
or insulin and cancer. And you can do it for
any cancer. There’s almost a correlation.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah! So, I mean Insulin
really is a lifesaving hormonic get to butter
up. But ultimately, it helps prevent against
AGE development that advanced glycolitic enzyme
development. Coz if blood sugar is really
high in our bloodstream and it’s not controlled?
then we end up basically just destroying nerve
endings. This is why people with diabetes
end up with optic neuritis, peripheral neuropathy
coz the sugar, the advanced gycolitic enzymes-
those sticky proteins were sugar grabs onto
Protein molecules creates this uhh- highly
reactive molecule that damages nerves. So
insulin comes out, it’s job is to lower
blood sugar so it takes sugar put it in the
cells where it belongs. Problem is we have
to keep on cranking out lots and lots of insulin.
It ends up also promoting inflammation in
the body. The inflammation will scar up the
cell membranes and the receptors. And overtime,
our bodies starts hearing the message for
Insulins. Kind of like, you know-if you recurr
my houses start banging on my door. At first
I hear you, if you just kept coming over messing
with me. Then overtime, it’s like the boy
who cried wolf. It’s like okay uhh- you
know what- this is probably not a real scenario
I’d dole you out. And so it’s kind of
same thing with insulin. Basically, we want
to keep our body really really sensitive to
insulin. We want to were insulin knocks on
the door, immediately we open that door. And
the best way to do that is keeping our sugar
down, keeping carbohydrate total, net carbohydrates–
thats the amount of carbohydrates minus fiber.
Fibers does not count. Fibers are not glycolitic.
Were not gonna be able to break that down.
Fibers is really a nutrient for microbiome
which we need. And so basically, we want to
keep those net carbs fairly low right? It
can range for different people the better
the more insulin responsive your body is,
the more carbohydrates your body is going
to be able to handle.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it! Love it!
Love it! Very Good. We got some questions
coming here on the live chat so to everyone
that’s putting the questions, keep em’
coming at the end we’ll do a wrap at the
fire round with Dr. Dave. And we’ll go through
them all. But you said it’s some really
important things that I wanna echo couple
things. Number 1, we talked about the fuel
sources. Number 2 we talked about the insulin
kind of like being a double-edge sword. Now
most people in the population being insulin
resistant there’s massive benefits on the
ketogenic diet because you get those receptors
sites more sensitive which is great. But the
double-edged sword. I did a video on this
last week, the double -edge sword of ketosis.
Where if you are already very insulin sensitive
then youre going low carb for too long. Then
we may drop the insulin almost a little bit
too low we may get some negative symptoms
with being ketosis and not cycling up and
out. What’s your take on cyclical ketosis
some people that are already insulin sensitive
then going into it for too long What’s your
take?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah that’s a great question!
I think it really depends on the individual
but I’m a huge fan of experimenting. And
I know for myself, I did much better on the
cyclical ketogenic. What that means is, were
gonna rotate in some healthy forms of carbs
from time to time okay. And I really- what
I trying to- Have my clients do something
like 30 days low carb and then from there
we switch in where we do 1 day a week, we
add in more carbs ideally from healthy sources.
You know the sicker you are, the more important
that is to stay away from fake foods. and
stick with really nutrient-dense foods and
there’s a lot of higher carb nutrient dense
foods that are amazing for the body like carrots
I mean just awesome food for the body. it
just has the carbohydrate low, so we add in
sweet potatoes so yeah different things like
that. Beets, these things are great for the
body.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Safe starch forms
Dr. David Jockers: Exactly! All those safe
starches. Even quinoa you know well basically
if you use something like quinoa with apple
cider vinegar on it load it up with turmeric.
I tell them do quinoa but make it orange quinoa
or if you’re gonna do rice, make it orange
rice. That’s such a good carrier for turmeric
you got more of that Curcumin Antioxidant
need to your system put a bunch of herbs in
there. That would be really really good.Which
you hve one day , you’re not regulating
your carbohydrates your getting them from
safe sources but you’re not really regulating
it and uhh- so I like to include that in.
And then I also like to include a 24-hour
basically liquid fast where you are doing
things like broth uuhm- or salt water uhh-
you can do maybe a green juice or something
along those lines your greens powder and water
and just staying really well hydrated for
about 24hour period of time. So you get these
powerful benefits of intermittent fasting
in there. So basically, what we’re going
to do to you is 5 really low carb days, 1
day where we do 24-hour fast, 1 day we’re
not regulated. We’re not trying to count
calories or carbohydrates; we’re just saying
Hey you know what? I’m gonna eat healthy
foods and eat all these higher carbohydrate,
healthier starches and just you know how i
feel. Just eat them to n a sense till I feel
associated. And were gonna include good fats
in that. So I tell them “Hey! put some MCT
oil or something like that on your carrots
till we saw the ketones in this system”,
were not worried about were just uhm- were
not worried about hey what are our blood sugar
is, what are our total carbohydrate count
is. Uhm- when we do that so usually once a
week for most people that respond well. Sometimes
we need it more; sometimes we need it twice
a week. Okay and for other individuals I tell
them “Hey! Experiment! Try going two weeks
without it right and maybe a carb blowed on
oneday every2 weeks and see how you feel with
that”. And so a lot of its subjective coz
all of us are unique. We all have a unique
biochemistry and our body is gonna give us
different signals and so part of our health
journey is really you know- I sell my clients
it’s about getting a master’s degree on
your health. You know it’s gonna take your
time to really understand how your body runs
best. Okay? and you know people like Justin
and I were here to help coach you to help
you get good advice. But at the same time
you gotta really help- you gotta really pay
attention to signs and signals your body is
giving you. And make the adjustments that
you need. You know if you’re under more
stress and you’re doing higher intensity
training on a more regular basis. You may
need to carb cycle a little bit more. Uhm
it’s a really just depends on what your
stress load is, what your lifestyle looks
like or your sleep habits look like. All of
those factors.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it! Totally great
points here. I’m actually gonna be testing
my blood ketones here live on the air. Again,
I got the precision extra meter heat and I
get these little strips here I got them on
ebay they’re a little bit cheaper there
you get it from New Zealand but I’m gonna
test my ketones. I like to be at least .5
to 1. I mean this morning was just some coffee
somewhat high quality organic coffee about
1 or 2 tablespoons that high quality MCT coconut
base not palm. Tablespoon or two of grass-fed
butter and about- a bit about 10-15 grams
of collagen amino acids that might through
collagen and that’s where I’m at it. SO
I et about 5600 calories and I’m feeling
great this friday so I like .5 to 1 and then
typically I’ll even measure my blood sugar
as well. I went out to last weekend to a really
nice steak restaurant we did a really good
grass-fed rib eyes, uhmm- oysters, some brocolli,
I put bone marrow on my steak I measured my
blood sugar after my meal- it was actually
at 70. So no major spikes in blood sugars
so that’s a pretty cool thing. What are
you doing to measure? I’m doing ketones.
I’m doing blood glucose some clinicians
are even measure fasting insulin I see people
blood sugar blow a hunder but their insulins
are like 15, 18, Like it’s. The Insulin’s
so high, its compensating by pulling that
blood sugar rim but the insulin so high but
that’s creating all that cell growth that
could promote cancer right?
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah absolutely yeah
we test fasting insulin as well but they’re
at some important thing to look at. Hemoglobin
A1C’s we have to look the overall clycation
impact on uhm- on the blood cell. So we look
at that as well. Definitely, precision extra
using the ketone strips. For me personally
I like to use the Ketonix breath meter just
know that my body is producing them. And you
know ultimately once you’ve been doing this
for a little while, you kind of know how you
feel when you’re using these ketones because
you’re able to go a longer occurrence at
time between meals and you feel really mentally
sharp. Uhh- you don’t feel tired. You feel
good. You don’t feel hungry and so if people
are telling me that their having issues, mood,
energy, cravings, uhhhhm- you know hunger
things like that. These are all signs that
the body is not utilizing the ketones well.
And that’s an important factor and you know
I’m a big fan of getting a lot of salts
in the diet. most people need a lot of extra
minerals and especially when your insulin
starts to go down. Insulin helps your body
basically to retain particularly sodium but
really most minerals. And when you start to
lower your insulin levels, you’re gonna
need- you’re gonna excrete more of these
minerals. You’re gonna need those. So, doing
something like a broth, okay? You can just
go out and get organic free ranged chicken
broth for like 2 dollars 50 cents or something
like that from your local. I mean, it’s
becoming more and more common at our local
grocery store. We can get imagine organic
fruit and chicken broth. Not the same thing
as bone broth, doesn’t have that the same
level of collagen protein might have a little
bit in it in there but doesn’t have much
of those types of amino acids but it has got
tons of minerals. And you also get some antioxidants
in because typically, what they’re doing
is they’re using like celery and onions
and garlic and stuff like that and just kind
of boiling it up. So you get some of the essence
of those. You get good minerals and to me
I drink it as a mineral drink. Uhm and I like
that. Warm mineral drink. We keep our house
cold at night for good sleep. We turn down
the Ac when hot. And so when I wake up in
the morning it’s like: yeah I just really
like that broth kind of that saltiness get
that into the system and it just seems worked
so well. Uhm and I find it that helps for
blood sugar regulation as well just getting
those good minerals because it keeps your
adrenals balanced.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really great points
and that kind of goes into my top 3-5 ketone
mistakes. 1. when you go too low- when you
go low carb what’s gonna actually happen?
Insulin Drops, the minerals go. So you have
to `consciously make an effort to get the
pottassium back up from the green veggies
and let me get the sodium amount from the
broth and seasalt that’s number 1. I see
patients quite frequently saying I’m starting
to have heart palpitations down this lower
carb ketogenic diet it;s like where the minerals
at , we adjust the minerals- fixed!.
Number 2: Too much muscle meat. Boneless,
skinless, chicken breast right? Just getting
protein powders without any fat in with it.
Veal, Venison, uh- Rabbit meat right? Those
are the big things and the Number 3: Poor
Digestion. They don’t have enough hydrochloric
acid you already mention the citric acid in
the apple cider vinegar helping, not enough
enzymes, that’s not in a bile slots, maybe
they even got a gut infection that’s preventing
that from happening. So I see that digestive
component is a huge component because we know
protein and fats harder to digest than carbohydrates
and sugar.
Dr. David Jockers: Huge component especially
you know when people are starting on the Ketogenic
Diet one of the common complaints we have
is constipation. Yeah know but I was like
uhhh- I’m constipated. here’s a number
of reasons for that . If you’re doing it
right, one of ther reasons could be the fact
that your microbiomes got a switch over right.
And there’s kind of this transition which
could cause lowered intestinal motility. That;s
possible but most often is because, person’s
eating a lot of meat and then a hormone of
hydrochloric acids . We gotta address that.
And then the mineral, the mineral elements.
Uhmm getting more minerals into the system
magnesium into the system to help improve
gastrointestinal motility and all those strategies
we talked about earlier using a lot of herbs.
And all of that those are carminatives they’re
really really good for muscle contractions
in the intestines moving the waste through.
So the more that we can add these components
in, getting those minerals, getting the high
quality herbs and sprots and different things
like that and those uhh-really really polyphenal
rich very low carb with any carb, types of
nutrients into our system with our meals is
just so powerful. Lemon juice, things like
that that helps support digestion with enzymes
and citric acid that’s for acidic gastric
from the apple cider vinegar. Very Very powerful.
And Justin I had a question for you. Can you
put the collagen in the Bulletproof coffee
there? Your MCT Oil in the coffee.Do you notice
any change compared to when you don’t with
your blood sugar. What have you been noticing?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh that’s a great
question. I got to test that. I tested it
just the other day. Typically my blood sugar
will just stay below a hundred. Again i listen
to Josh Aksin, Jordan Robin just last weekend
and uhmm- Jordan Robin’s talking about “Hey
it’s Collagenic Diet”. Now we have a conversation
I pulled them off the stage as a doc. I said
let’s talk about the gluconeogenic proteins
versus the ketogenic. He’s like you know
the Hydroxyproline, these are in the collagen.
Are these gonna be as gluconeogenic as let’s
say what’s in whey protein or other muscle
needs? According to him, his opinion is that
the methionine and a lot of the sulfur amino
acids are potentially more gluco neogenic
and then the collagen aminos are more ketogenic
in nature, it won’t spike up blood sugar
as much. So tha’t his take on it and I think
they get similar to the podcast for Dr. Burn
Freelander talking about the major reasons
why collagen is so great. It’s a little
bit lower in methionine and that can have
some blood sugar.
Dr. David Jockers: Yesh absolutely. We need
methionine but the realty is most people in
the society are eating a ton of muscle meat
and very little collagenous meat. These ligaments,
joints, cartilage structure which our ancestors
ate a lot of that. So yeah getting that college
and proetin and really helps balance it. Now
L-glutamine obviously will really keep to
the immune system, havereally keep for gut
help but tends to be more insulinogenic and
more you know just basically tends to increase
much sugar a little bit more uhmm- what’s
your glutamin status and collagen protein?
do you know?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you get a lot of
L-glutamin because it typically comes in a
form of glutamic acid many people do great
with it some people that are more on the inflame
side, they can go down to glutamate but for
the most par I find it tend to be pretty good
with a lot of people .
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah, Justin for those
people, I know you’ve seen that. For thoe
people that produce more glutamate and less
Gaba with it. Magnesium and B6. See it really
well with that conversion.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: yep I a 100% agree
on that too. Then I also see it too. You mention
the muscle meat like methionine is still really
good, we need that- that’s a really important
phase to detoxifying compound for you said
it Crom P450 (Cytochrome P450) oxidize pathways.
But were getting a lot of muscle meat you
mentioned it uhh- Jordan Robin’s talked
about were missing the connective tissue component
that’s just so important for skin, nails,
joints, tendons, ligaments right?
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah absolutely. I have
an article on my website where I talked about
that where muscle meats are very rich with
methionine and tryptophan. And glycin and
protein are the major amino acids that were
gonna find in the cartilages, the cartilage
and the joint structure. Glycin so critical
for phase 2 liver detoxification..
Glutathione..
Dr. David Jockers: yeah it helps regulate
Gaba right then have it to our neurotransmitter
to reduce excite or toxicity and the brain
help keep us calm. Most people are just knocking
it enough of that because again they’re
taking so much of this methionine. So, I’m
a big fan of the cartilages diet. i just wasn’t
sure personally how would it affect in my
autoimmune cases and people blood sugar instability
issues oftentime. I have them do that the
cartilage uhm sorry the collagen in the coffee.
And I know Dave asked for you you know he
recommends that. I know that you’ve been
talking about that a lot .
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Gotta be beef collagen
you know I do the neo-cell chicken collagen.
Tastes like crap. I gotta throw my coffee
out of the. Gotta be collagen peptide its
gotta be beef for my taste. It destroys the
coffee if it’s not beef.
Dr. David Jockers: I use a bone broth of pure
bone broth protein. i find it that works just
kind of a savory flavor but you just mix it
and you really don’t notice it. I noticed
that, that works good.. Now for myself, I
don’t personally do that. I personally either
just do broth in the morning or I will do
a Bulletproof coffee without the collagen
proteins in there and the usual i put those
in a protein shake. For me that seem to keep
my blood sugar in most stable and my ketones
at the highest and i feel the best with that.
Now this wasn’t sure I haven’t had a lot
of people test their ketones pre and post.
So that would be interesting to see. How they
responded adding in the collagen protein into
the Bulletproof coffee.
I will test it today. I got my ketone meter.
I’ll test it in a bit.
Dr. David Jockers: Keep me updated on that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ll do a video
on this today. But .5 to .6 tend to where
be.. at the minimal of ketones there which
tends to be pretty good. Now I want to touch
upon a couple of things here. People whose
cholesterol I’m going to hit a person’s
question over here on the chat. But people,
whose cholesterol goes out in a ketogenic
diet; Typically, I find a lot of people’s
cholesterol actually goes down on a ketogenic
diet if they’re coming from an insulin resistant
type of diet. Coz insulins resist or insulins
gonna stimulate the HMG coereductase enzyme
hematolitiric oil reductase that’s the enzyme’s
status block. So if you are actually decreasing
that enzyme by cutting the insulin down, i
see people really improved their cholesterol
numbers. But at the same time, cholesterol
may go up on a ketogenic diet but if it does,
I see the HTL go up in conjunction wih the
LDL so the ratio is not getting worst and
the trigs will also go down and the particles
side shifts so your LDL A would go up , B
would go down and your LDL will also improve
too.
Dr. David Jockers: Oh yeah absolutely I mean
that’s huge. Im are always looking at that
triglyceride HDL ratio. It’s always been
less than two. Ideally, yeah I like to uh
1.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep
Dr. David Jockers: And that’s a big fact
that’s way more huge than our over cholesterol.
So you wanna definitely look at that. And
really when cholesterol’s huge. If you have
that terrible, try at of high LDL, Low HDL,
High triglycerides- usually like you said-
it’s because of insulin resistance. It could
also be a thyroiditis.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s the thing!
That’s what I was gonna touch upon yes you
hit it.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah or could be an infection.
So those were really the 3 big factors that
are causing that so it’s really a downswing
of that its the body that actually saying
“It’s a response by the body to certain
agree for healing when it comes to inflammation,
infection and insulin resistance. And then
, you know a thyroid basically you’ll just
gonna end up producing steroid hormone which
is so important for proper regulation of cholesterol
levels. So..
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and 1 other 2
other X factors I find is a dairy allergy
and an egg allergy. So, people put a lot of
butter, cream or a lot of eggs. Try cutting
those out for a few weeks. Go get a lipid
panel done. I’ve seen people literally been
at 450 for their cholesterol and dropped down
to 200 for in weeks.
Dr. David Jockers: yeah that’s a goal of
nugget right there. Especially for some people,
trying to do a ketogenic diet. Yeah! Absolutely!
And egg i mean the reality is: milk, protein
and egg sensitivities are very high in our
society. I think one reason is rally vaccines.
They have egg out boom it in the- Vaccine
is to create antibiotic response. So if you
get a vaccine at an early age, your body creates
an antibiotic response to egg out boom and..
And then some level of permeability in your
gut and you’re eating eggs and you’re
not fully digesting them well. The ability
now to egg out boom and slips out doesn’t
get fully digested and broken down in Amino
acids Soups out in the bloodstream , your
body’s gonna do what it’s ought to do.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A 100%. And I also
find too that if you heal the gut and you
get the inflammation down, and then you reintroduce
things the right way. What I mean by the right
way, is you do the egg poached soft, you keep
the yolks would run. In that way, we are not
denaturing the protein coz sometimes it’s
just the oxidize cholesterol that are our
immune system is reacting to. Sometimes it’s
evident in the yolk or sorry the white part
of it. And when it comes to dairy, you start
with Ghee, grass fed ghee and then you progressed
to grass-fed butter . But again, one at the
time. And then you can monitor with the lipid
panel in between. And that pretty inexpensive
task. But I’ve seen that really help and
people have been able to add those things
back in and not have jump in to cholesterol.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah that’s really really
good. Especially some of again, that’s how
a ketogenic diet. Coz typically you’re gonna
be eating like I’m a huge fan of your grass-fed
butter right. So yeah, taking it, take it
out for a week then try adding it back. You
know you could even do that something along
those lines. I’ll have people do post testing
a lot of times.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep
Dr. David Jockers: So basically, just take
your pulse. Take a resting pulse. Okay? Say
its 60 beats per minute. Then go ahead put
some grass-fed butter on your tongue right?
Take a few deep breaths. Wait about 20 seconds
and take your pulse again. And if it jumps
up 3 or more beats that’s a sign of stress
response to it. And if ever you have stress
response to something, it’s gonna cause
inflammation in your body. So I’d be something
to take out at that point if you did ever
response like that. Take it out for a month.
Okay? Follow a good anti-inflammatory, leaky
gut based diet outside of using you know-those
dairy using any sort of dairy products and
then try adding it back in and then and..
like you said. Best thing if it’s dairy
is to add that Ghee; cause that’s got the
least amount of inflammatory dairy proteins
like Casein in Whey, also the Lactase as well.
Those are the things that most people are
reacting to. So you start that. Then go ahead
and do a pulse test with that. And if your
pulse test comes out well, add it back in
your diet one day. Consume a bunch of grass
fed Ghee on things and then see how you feel
of it for about 3 or 4 days. If you notice
of symptoms, okay- increasing amount of symptoms.
Sign your body is still not fully recovered.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%! Theres an application
called Food Sense, you can download it on
your phone and it will do that same thing
you mentioned. You out your finger over like
the camera and it’ll measure your pulse
before and after so, 100% that’s a great
way to do it. Now next, is I see people that
are going maybe too low carb for too long
or maybe they’re more Insulin sensitive.
And I actually see their blood sugar jump
and there are some people where we actually
add in a little bit more carbs and their blood
sugar actually drops. In my whole theory is
that the gluconeogenic processes is corticol
dependent. So that cortisol is causing a little
bit too much of a bump in that blood sugar.
And if we add just a little bit of carbs back
in especially the safe starchy carbs you’ve
mentioned. We can actually drop the blood
sugar by actually adding in carbs. What’s
your take on that?
Dr. David Jockers: Uh, 100% I totally agree
with that. So I have seen it a number of times
and so, they’re super, super low carb diets
ultimately long term for most people are not
gonna be very healthy. So, adding in again
some of these safer carbohydrate components.
In all reality, the body was meant to adapt.
Our ancestors, they weren’t just low carb
because they were tryna’ lose weight. They
were low carb because they were eating whatever
was available And for the most part, what
was available was lower carb foods, meats,
and they would have times of famine. They
have times were they would go days without
food. And so, reality is, they had a great
adaptability. And cells that can adapt are
healthy cells right? Whereas sick cells, cancer
cells don’t adapt well. So, in a sense adding
in priming the body with little bit of carbohydrates
here and there. I find to be the most effective
way for a long term health and long term sustainability
for most people that are- certain percentage
of people that.. They tell me “Hey you know
I’ve been for Ketosis for 3 years and I’m
doing great”. Okay? So, there are certain
percentage that I won’t- I don’t wanna
take that away from those individuals. But
at the same time I would say probably four
or fifths, 80% are gonna do better to some
level of cycling out their carbs.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah a hundred percent
totally make sense. Now what about Ketogenic
Diet when you have infections? We all know
that a lot of people are Insulin Resistant.
A lot of these got microbes that love the
feed off of sugar, carbohydrates, especially
the yeast. I see what parasites and fungus
why could that’s really easy to access.
But there are people like, Kressers talked
about it at poligy emanate. Talked about that
these critters can also fuel off ketones.
Now my approach is, that sugar is gonna be
the easier fuel source. So that’s gonna
be the low-hanging fruit. But what do you
do when people, maybe the ketogenic diet is
feeding some of these critters. My approach
is we go low if we see an exacerbation being
so low. We just gently tape for about and
see if there’s any improvement in symptoms.
How do you handle that?
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah! very very similar.
I think microbes are adaptable just like our
cells who are adaptable. So you know if we
go low carb at first, they’re gonna start
dying. And the at some point if they want
to maintain the resiliency, they got to adapt
those microorganisms. You know they have short
half-lives and that they start to adapt. And
they start to be able to burn whatever fuel
they can. But again just like you said- I
mean glucose is the easier fuel for them that’s
why they prefer it. Uhmm- it’s easier for
their chemistry. And it’s so.. I still am
a fan of “Hey! let’s get some ketones
in there”. Now, big thing there is getting
the right antimicrobial stance. So eating
a diet that’s rich in polyphenol like antioxidants
is important. Coz it improves cell communication,
improves your immune system’s stability-
can recognize whether it’s a virus, whether
it’s yeast, parasites as opposed to uhm
normal cell right? We wanna do things to uhm-
strengthen the immune system while we change
the you know the -metab- the, the.. fuel source
for these microbes and I think that’s really
key. I think doing both of those things is
a fantastic combination and then even if implementing
if the person’s able to handle it some intermittent
fasting can also be very very helpful there
too because again, we were reducing the food
stuffs for those individuals. And then when
we do feed, we feed with lots of antimicrobials.
So that way, the yeast, microorganisms.-they
start hunkering down when during the fast.
Then, that’s food become prevalent they
come out and you know- they are not differentiating
in a sense there like “Hey!” I’m like
If you are hungry, You know- you know what
Justin if you go a week without a food or
whatever it is and you’re starving- you’re
gonna be a little bit less uhmm– you know
you’re gonna be a little bit less sensitive
about what you eat. You just want food in
your body, you know? And it’s kind of the
same thing with the yeast, the different uhh-
microbes and they’re gonna start eating
and then a course of if you’ve got the anti-microbial
whether its from supplement. You know, I’m
a fan of it with supplement and foods, right?
Right in there at the same time as they eat
they are taking in the these different component
or gonna help basically combusters of wall
or whatever it si whatever the mechanism is
to help kill them off.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally make sense.
Dr. David Jockers: And then following it up
with a bunch of charcoal or clay or something
like that to .. Any of the gases and uhh-
all the sort of uhh- toxic metabolites that
they were least .
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally make sense
and one of the things that I incorporate when
we’re doing specifically clearing programs
to address these infections. It’s like chum
in the water. You wanna go shark that and
then you gotta put some chum in the water
to bring those sharps in the surface if you’re
gonna do some killing of these bacteria, you
gotta chum that water with maybe a little
bit more of carbs or a little bit more fodmaps
that for dealing with SIBO (Small intestinal
bacterial overgrowth). Bring them in the surface
and then, *clap smash* blind site baby!
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah absolutely! Yep! That’s
what I think like the warrior die approach
for it’s like played. You know like doing
a 24-hour fast like I was talking about for
able to do that one once a week. That’s
24-hours. These microbes replicate so fast
they usually have like- `something like I
don’t know if you know the numbers but I’ve
heard like 4-6 hour lives, right? So reality
is, they are already changing their metabolism
during thta period of time. And, uhm- you
know they’re having to adapt very rapd rate
in order to survive and so we go 24-hours
without major amount of calories. Now, we’ve
started- we’ve reduced some of that microbial
load overall. Okay as long as we moved our
bowels. Also, while were doing that- drinking
lots of fluids maybe using magnesium supplements.
Keeping the bowels moving well, right? Getting
all that stuff out. We’ve reduced some microbial
load Yeah then we hit it in. You know the
warrior died that’s kind of like “Hey
you, you know you eat very light during the
day and then you have the feeds meal, right?”
And of course, we want to recommend a healthy
feast meal. Not just Domino’s pizza right?
But you have that healthier feast meal wherein
you’re getting in a lot. Your good foods
okay- you know safe starches, things like
that. You know at acertain point you know
at least once a week. Uuuhm- you know with
some day it does have infections I’m a fan
of and then pounding it with those anti-microbials
and the again using charcoal clay, different
things like that , different absorbing agents
help clean the system because you’ll gonna
have a lot of metabolic waste leftover from
these microbes so you wanna go in there and
grab that stuff out or we’re gonna have
a greater livelihood of having uhm- die of
symptoms- using a lot of water too, good hydration
again keeping those bowels moving that’s
so important.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it! well outside
of that couple of questions I’ll just roll
through here. I’ll just give you a wrap
of response. Can taking digestive enzymes
plus ACL plus Apple Cider Vinegar prior to
a meal be too much for someone with a compromised
digestive system? My opinion is if you have
a compromised digestive system you’re probably
not making enough HCL enzymes so my take is
the gut’s not irritated by the HCL, you
know- do HCL based on sensation and then opt
the enzymes which tends to be more you know,
non-abrasive. What’s your take?
Dr. David Jockers: Uh totally! Absolutely!
I would do that. And I think that uhm- that
question I think they said do HCL before the
meal. Okay if you’re really irritated with
your gut lining, probably better to do HCL
in the middle of the meal.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bingo!100% Yep! Kind
of aligns it you know it says like the oreo
cookie. You got the filling there. Totally!
And none of the top be there coz sometimes
they got stuck at the top and hit that top
of the atrium or the soft…I see it both
ways.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect! and then
the person here comments “Well it sounds
like a Ketogenic Diet is a diet for inactive
people” My take is well if you’re insulin
resistant, you’re not burning fat. This
is a therapeutic diet to burn fat and number
2 is we want to burn clean fuel. What’s
your take?
Dr. David Jockers: Well yeah. It’s reallya
diet for active and inactive people. Definitely,
inactive people obviously we need to use diet
to uh- to get insulin under control if they’re
active- you know what? We want the body to
have this level of metabolic flexibility where
ot’s able to adapt its metabolism based
on the needs of the environment. I wanna have
incredible metabolic flexibilities. What do
I do for that? I move my body a lot. I exercise
at a really high intensity uh– Four days
a week I do a really high-intensity workouts.
Okay? while I’m in Ketosis. Why? because
I want mybody to be able to be realy good
at going between using ketones for energy
and using glucose for energy. What’s gonna
happen, youre gonna actually end up boosting
your uhh- you’re basically you’re losing
your blood losing in levels between meals
and that’s gonna help preserve muscle mass
and help improve performnce. and that’s
gonna help preserve glycogen in yourselves.
your body gets really good at storing glycogen
and utilizing it only at times when it need
sit.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it and losing
its antiviral in a ketogenic amino. That’s
one of the few aminos that could go to ketones.
Love that! Yep! So what are you eating Dr.
Dave? Give me a rundown of your day look like.
Dr. David Jockers:Yeah absolutely so for myself
This is uh- a big thing that I teach I only
do one solid food. I would say 6 days on a
week. On an average. I’m doing one solid
food meal a day. Okay? And then usually its
in the evening coz that’s typically my most
relaxed period of time. So I’m a big fan
of liquid nutrition. So, In the morning like…
This morning, I drank a lot of broth; In fact,
there still have some right here deluded uhh-
with hot water. Okay, and I drink that. And
sometimes I go like its 24 hours like were
talking about and do that but uhm- typically
especially on a workout day- for long noon
I do a protein shake. And I actually like
a protein putting. I put 1 or 2 avocados in
there. I use coconut milk or raw grass-fed
milk. Uhm- I use good high quality protein
powder I like uhh like a boom broth collagen
protein uhhhm or sometimes i use like a p-protein.
Whwy protein seems to bump up my blood sugar
a bit so uhm I use one of those types of proteins
in there. And sometimes I use a combination
of them. And uh- and that’s really pretty
much it. That’s in the- oh yeah, I put MCT
oil in there and somtimes some extra coconut
oil in. So really it’s a lot of fat and
it’s dense. Proetin putting and I love it.
So either make it with chocolate or just a
vanilla. Okay? Chocolates uh- that chocolate
avocado pudding, one of my favorites. Uhm
and so I’ll have that typically for lunch
okay and then you know I stay really hydrated
especially in the afternoons. Uhm- a little
bit more intentional about hydration. In the
morning it seems like my body is craving the
hydration, the minerals. What about a naturally,
I drink usually about a gallon of water before
the time wake up before noon. I’m just cranking
to lots and lots of hydration. Then I usually
work out around this time of day and the right
after that, room protein shake then in the
mid-afternoon I drinking a lot of water usually
with about the hour after my shake and then
I start really hydrating my body well again.
And I like to do magnesium in the water. I
have a product bringcome magnesium that I
put on the water okay and ill drink that.
I love to get that extra magnesium in. Uhm
stay hydrated as much I do greens powder and
water as well. And then the evening, were
usually using some sort of healthy meat whether
ts well caught salmon, chicken, turkey, duck,
lamb, vicen, grass fed beef. Something along
those lines. Lots of vegetables. I like to
use a lo of grass fed butter. Uhm my vegetables,
getting a lot of good fats so i use MCT oil
on mymeat sometimes on my vegetables as well.
Coz MCT oil turns in the ketones a lot faster
than coconut oil or really anything else.
And so put that on everything lots of herbs,
lemon, apple cider vinegar all those super
strategies that we talked about. Sometimes
I do just big gigantic salad with some chicken
breasts and MCT oil and olives on there or
maybe avocado on there. So I’m always trying
to get these good fats in and uhm- you know
for me I think the biggest things sometimes,
I’ll crave extra protein and so in my workout
days; I usually increase my protein , my meat
consumption a little bit on the evenings and
now on workout days, I try to keep it a lot
more moderate.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. I’m kind
of in a similar boat. I tend to do a lot of
uh- butter coffee, MCT and collagen in the
morning on days that I’m more stressed I
will do uhm- eat a bigger breakfast that will
add up some eggs, and bacon and grass fed
all that good stuff. Tend to go like maybe
5 or 6 hours between meals. I got a desk treadmill
so I walk about eleven miles per day. You
know seeing patients, and then I like the
bars and kettle bells so in between atient
calls. Push-ups a feel your, kettle bells
to seal you. So I tryna do a lot of unorganized
exercise where its just like it’s sporadic
term of my day. Lunch- I mean typically for
lunch, I’ll take some tuna on top of a salad
cut up an avocado use to mark primal dressing.
You know , the Caesar dressings awesome now.
I’m loving it. And then tonight we got Keto
Burgers stand out. Mean, I get these from
US Wellnes Meats. 55, 45 right? Buy protein
45 fat put that on the baddest spinach cut
up some avocado. Tonight, I may go all out
and have a glass of sparkle and wine. Typically
have a low-sugar kind of demi-sec where you
drive version of it. With one or just do a
Kombucha instead of low sugar GT des Kombucha
and then for dessert maybe a 90% dark chocolate.
Dr. David Jockers: Yeah I love it! I like
Cavitas. I’m on Fiasec Cavitas ..
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh my freak just talked.
Dr. David Jockers: I’m in Cavita, one of
my favorites. Think about lime and menthols
such good carmenertives so good for the gut
then we got the coconut water that’s fermented.
you got more b vitamins, lowers sugar levels
and i respond really really well on that.
oftentimes at night we’ll do herbal tea.
Like a nighty-night tea or something like
that. uhm just getting more on those herbs.
i think that’s something that you know there’s
a lot of people that are teaching ketogenic
diet but now whole lot more of emphasizing
herbs and uhm i think that’s a missing component
in our diet as getting using these herbal
medicines.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: you enjoy a little
bit on the same track men you were talking
about all that lastly again. You made some
great points like the herbal infusions the
teas.. Also uhm the bom brought there and
I think thats really huge and I think you
call it serum soluble nutrients. I loved that,
that worked!
Dr. David Jockers: Absolutely. Yeah Jordan
is a good friend of mine so uh- we talk about
all these stuff often.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah I hink he’s
totally on track with that. Awesome. http://drjockers.com
uhh- awesome blog, awesome YouTube. I check
it out weekly then it gets lots some of great
info- information. I’m happy you’re on
the podcast. Any other knowledge bombs you
wanna drop here before you exit.
Dr. David Jockers: You know I think we covered
a lot. I think ultimately at the end of the
day, uhm people often realize we’re striving
for metabolic flexibility you know and so
when somebody is real fatigue, real adrenal
fatigue. Theyre very very poor metabolic flexibility
okay. But ultimately the better your metabolic
flexibility, this ability is watched between
ketones and glucose and energy source, the
better your quality of life is gonna be. The
better your performance is gonna be. So uhm-
so basically you know practitioners like you
Dr. Justin and myself, that’s really our
goal to our clients is. Hey, get them to the
point where they are so metabolically flexible
to where they can adapt to different nutritional
practices and go low carb for a few weeks
at a time or maybe even do a high carb week
right and not have the delirious effects that
come with that and being just able to adapt
is so critical. Healthy cells are cells that
can adapt. Unhealthy cells can’t adapt.
And so as a whole as an organism we wanna
be that adapt strong.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it and now if
you’re stuck on a desert island, and yo
can only bring one supplement with you what
is it
Dr. David Jockers: For me its magnesium. Magnesium
is like my magic bullet so from feeling a
little bit low on energy? okay? – Magnesium.
Following a sleep crate? Magnesium. For a
grove good mental clarity? Magnesium. Magnesiums
seems to be- especially magnesium of 3na that
would respond best to that one. Crosses the
blood brain barrier. helps to-its really like
an adaptogenic herb, its really an adaptogen
where it helps to balance out my stress hormones.
I just feel great with that. And that’s
something that in general if you’re stuck
on a- on an island you may have access to
things like coconuts and stuff like that but
uh- you know chances are you just in general
especially if I’m eating a lot of fruit
uhm because I’m on the island. I probably
gonna need a little bit more of magnesium.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally make sense
plus said here. On an island men you’re
probably stressed on act that magnesium that
definitely help with constipation right. Love
it! very good very good. Any closing thoughts
we got your information out there Dr. David
Jockers go to the site. you’ll also see
the YouTube channel great recipes, your wife
Angel’s rocking out of the park with those
recipes, they got my wife checking them out
too. Anything else Dr. Dave?
Dr. David Jockers: You know, I think that’s
really is . I just want to thank you for having
me on the show. And I just remind you again
that Hey I’m a big fan of the show. So if
you guys are listening to Dr. Justin here,
people like myself and other health influencers,
we tune in to Justin’s podcasts because
he is always dropping nuggets and uh- I love
your analogies and how you create things down
so I really appreciate all the great work
you’re doing
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well uh appreciate
that Dr. Dave. Awesome! Well you have a great
weekend on Multstein Dutch.
Dr. David Jockers: Alright you too Justin.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright take care!