Can you drink wine and stay in ketosis? – CHTV 146
Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host
Meredith Dykstra and this is Episode Number
146, and we have Dr. Dan Pompa, our resident
cellular healing specialist on the line. Today
we have a very special guest, and his name
is Todd White. Todd White is a wine expert
and we have a lot of fun things to talk about.
This is not your average wine that he makes.
We’re going to talk a lot about wine today,
but before we delve in, let me tell you guys
a little bit more about Todd. Todd White has
been a serial entrepreneur and creator since
he was age 17. Today, after 15 years in the
wine business, his life is dedicated to educating
and helping people make better choices about
food nutrition and how they think about consuming
alcohol. He is the founder of Drive Farm Wine,
a writer, speaker, and a leading authority
on healthy organic natural wines, and the
importance of micro-dosing alcohol for health,
longevity, and vitality.
Todd’s passion is unlocking the best way to
enjoy alcohol, how to enjoy the benefits of
modern consumption while avoiding the negative
outcomes. Todd has been a featured guest on
many of the nation’s leading health influential
podcasts, including David Asbury, Bullet Proof
Radio; Mark Sisson, Primal Blue Print; Abel
James, Fat Burning Man; Rob Wolf’s, Paleo
Solution; and Jimmy Moore, Living Low-carb
Show. Todd is a self-described biohacker who
practices daily meditation, Wim Hof breathing,
cold thermogenesis, a ketogenic diet, intermittent
fasting, and he is a fitness enthusiast. He’s
also a frequent speaker on ketogenic lifestyle,
and is completing a cookbook on the ketogenic
diet and lifestyle to be released this fall
called, Keto Well. He was most recently the
featured ketogenic speaker at the 2016 Bulletproof
annual conference on biohacking. He lives
in Oak Brook, California in the heart of Napa
Valley wine country. Welcome, Todd White to
Cellular Healing TV.
Awesome! Hey, guys, I’m just super excited
to be on your show today. We have a lot of
fun stuff to talk about and wine is the topic.
Man, I tell you [00:02:17] comment. I mean,
think about it, intermittent fasting, ketosis.
I mean, we could do a three-hour show, I think,
and just keep rocking it out, but today’s
topic will be trapped and forced into wine.
Not really, that’s probably my favorite subject.
I mean, my gosh, we get to talk about wine
on Cellular Healing TV. I can testify to your
product personally. I can already testify
to many of my clients who are not able to
drink wine and I said, “Try these.” They were
able to drink wine. You have already made
a lot of people very, very happy. So let’s
tell people why that is. What’s the difference
with these wines, Todd?
Well, I can’t wait to get into the wine thing.
Hopefully, we’ll get not only, but just a
couple moments on ketosis and also my favorite
topic of the moment, which is intermittent
fasting. I know you and I have talked about,
we just eat too much too often, and the wrong
things, but before that, let’s get right on
I came down this path. I’ve been in the wine
business for a long time and as I got deeper
into biohacking over recent years, and I think
ketogenic for the last three years. what happened
next was I just found I could not drink traditional
wines anymore. What I’m going to have to do
here, because I’m at my office today—this
is kind of a crazy thing, but there’s some
beeping out in my warehouse, so I’m just going
to move rooms while we’re talking real quick.
I thought we were going on a tour.
Looks like it’s going to calm down now, so
You could show us where the wine is, though.
The warehouse is actually right next to me
in a separate building, but we’re kind of
adjoined. It’s noisy there for a second. Looks
like they’ve calmed down. All right, back
to the wine thing.
That was the truck backing up. Beep, beep,
It was the truck backing up, actually. There’s
a huge, huge truck here making a delivery.
Anyway, hopefully they’ll get settled down
back there. When I got to where I couldn’t
drink traditional wines anymore and so I started
biohacking, and unpacking what was going on
with wines. Initially, I thought it was just
the high alcohol. We’ll talk about how and
why alcohols are higher in commercial wines
today than ever. It’s both the wine making
style as well as it’s being fueled by irrigation
in the US, but we’ll cover that.
I thought it was mainly the higher alcohol.
I started dosing down on alcohol, which was
effective, but then I discovered the natural
wine movement, which is really exploding in
Europe. There’s not—there’s very little
natural wine made in the United States, so
we’ll define what natural wine means because
most people think, well, isn’t all wine natural?
In fact, it’s not. I’m going to cover all
those topics for you. When I discovered natural
wine and got rid of all the additives and
toxins that are in commercial wines today,
in addition to dosing down the alcohol, I
discovered that I could drink wines again.
This is what many of our customers also discovered.
You’ve probably—Dan, you’ve had this experience,
right? I mean, you’ve had the experience with
our wines. They literally make you feel different
and you don’t have that negative repercussions.
What’s been your experience?
Yeah, no, just that. At the top of the show
I said that it’s—look, I’ve had many clients
who are not able to drink wine. They’re neurotoxic,
they’re very sensitive, and they’re able to
drink these wines. Again, what I found personally
is I can drink a lot more of this wine, no
problem, feel fine, right? Of course, we’re
going to discuss why that is, but there’s
a couple reasons why that is. Yeah, I know
these wines are also—as we’re going to talk
a little bit about ketosis. They’re keto approved,
which could be one answer why. There’s no
sugar in it, but I think there’s other answers
They are. All of our wines are sugar-free.
In fact, we do independent lab testing and
even the King keto, Dr. Dominic D’Agostino,
who’s the leading ketogenic—
He just spoke at our seminar. He’s been a
guest on the show. Yeah, two weeks ago he
was at our seminar in Vegas.
Yeah, awesome guy. In fact, endorses our wine
product and he’s done independent lab testing
with—in his own la, and at his house with
blood testing on our wines and has recently
posted and endorses what we do as ketogenic
wine. Let’s talk about what makes a wine natural.
Let’s start with farming. Natural wines are
always organically or biodynamically farmed.
Biodynamic farming is just a prescriptive
of organic farming, so it’s an advanced form
of chemical free farming. All natural wines
are chemically free farmed or biodynamic.
There also dry farmed. What that means, just
like our name, the wines have no irrigation
and the reason that’s super important is because
irrigation, fundamentally, changes the physiology
of the plant, and most importantly, how fruit
What happens at the end of the ripening process
is, that when a fruit is filled with water,
having been irrigated, is that the character
of the fruit is not as well developed and
the phenyl flavors don’t develop correctly
at the ripening process. What that means is
that the fruit has to be picked later in the
ripening process with higher sugars. What
higher sugars create are higher alcohol, and
higher sugar byproducts like glycerol, right?
It’s important to have organic chemically
free farm [00:08:14].
Let me give you an example of what irrigation
does to a vine. When you irrigate a vine,
it gets all of its nutrients and all of its
water right from the surface from a little
drip hose just above the trunk, right? The
root ball of an irrigated vine is about 3
feet in diameter and about 3 feet deep. Where
an unirrigated grape vine at maturity, will
have a root structure that can range 30, 40,
50 feet deep as that vine struggles in search
of water and nutrients, right? It’s struggling
against its neighbor, it’s struggling against
nature, to feed. This creates a fruit with
much higher character, right? This is a reason
in most of Europe, almost all of Europe, it’s
against the law to irrigate a grapevine. In
fact, irrigation did not come to the United
States until 1973, for grapevines, right?
Now, why do you irrigate a grapevine? Why
do American vendors irrigate a grapevine?
Because it creates a higher yield and the
fruit weighs more. It’s filled with water,
right? Fruit is sold by the time, so if it
weighs more, then there’s more profitable.
Just like with most of Agra business, the
industry has consolidated and the goal, and
the objective have a corporate consolidation
is not to make better, healthier wines, it’s
to make wines cheaper, and faster.
This has happened all across our food and
everything that we grow. This has been a massive,
massive problem driven by corporate America.
To give you an idea, in the American wine
industry, 52% of all the wines made in the
United States are made by just three giant
companies. Now, you don’t know that, and
they don’t want you to know that. It’s
a multi-billion dollar operations, and so
they hide behind thousands of brands and labels
to have you believe that you’re drinking
from a small farmhouse or somebody’s chateau
when in fact you’re drinking from massive
factories. Just to take that one step further,
70% of all the wines made in the United States
are made by just the top 30 companies, mass
consolidation of the industry. What happens
with mass consolidation is we’re working
on spreadsheets. We’re not working on your
Again, the goal was to make wines faster and
cheaper. Not healthier or better. How do they
do that? First of all, they use a whole bunch
of chemicals, right? What’s little known
to your listeners or anybody who hasn’t
heard a podcast or read an article that we’ve
written about this topic—because this is
the big dirty dark secret of the wine industry.
There are 76 additives approved by the FDA
for the use in winemaking. Of the 76 approved
additives—which your audience has no idea
that these additives even exist. They think
wine’s fermented grape juice, but in fact,
it’s not. Of the 76 chemical additives that
are approved by the FDA for the use in winemaking,
38 of them include the acronym GRAS. You and
I know that that stands for generally regarded
as safe, so the FDA is telling us that, half
of these additives, they’re safe, right?
Now, why don’t your—here’s the reason
your audience doesn’t know these additives.
There’s no contents or nutritional label
on a bottle of wine. It’s the only major
food product without a contents label on it.
Now, let me tell you why it doesn’t have
a contents label on it. If it did, the contents
label would be this big with a bunch of names
you couldn’t produce. You couldn’t pronounce,
right, just like you find in food products
today. Wines are filled with preservatives
and additives and adjustments, right, to make
them snackable and drinkable and to make you
want to crave them more, right? The reason
that there’s not a contents label on the
bottle of wine is because the wine industry
has spent tens of millions of dollars in collaboration
with the government to keep wine labels off
of wine. Now, if it were just fermented grape
juice, why would they care if there was a
contents label on it? It’s not, and that’s
what they don’t want you to know.
Natural wines contain zero additives. They
are also fermented with native yeast that
are indigenous to the vineyard where the grapes
are grown. Commercial wines are inoculated
with genetically modified commercial yeast.
The very first thing a winemaker does when
a standard wine is made is they use sulfur
dioxide to kill the native yeast, right, so
that they don’t ferment. Then they inoculate
the juice with a commercial yeast, and we
don’t know what the health ramifications
of these genetically modified yeasts are.
We just know that when wines are fermented
with native yeasts and additive free, they
don’t contain any of these problems commonly
associated with drinking wines, right? We’re
talking about native yeast, no additives,
no adjustments, organic farming, and biodynamic
practices. This is what makes up a natural
Again, less than 1% of wine made worldwide
is actually naturally made. We’re talking
about this permeation of additives and adjustments
and manipulations to wine are spread globally.
I mean, they began in the West. They began
in here in America, but it’s really a global
problem now. There’s a few hundred thousand
winemakers worldwide. Less than 500 actually
make these natural wines.
Yeah. It’s hard to believe.
It’s just crazy. Here we are trying to protect
our health, trying to really be aware, and
listening to folks like you and other health
influencers who are really doing amazing work
in educating people about how to live a healthier
longer health span. I know you and I have
talked about this before. The goal is really
health span. Not lifespan, right? We want
to be healthier longer, right?
Your listeners and my followers and the folks
that we associate with and live with are super
concerned about what they eat and drink. We
try to eat whole and fresh, and clean and
organic, but then nobody’s really telling
us about what we’re drinking. Most of your
audience enjoys imbibing in alcohol, as do
I. I want to take the same approach toward
wine or alcohol consumption that I take toward
everything that I think about consuming.
Two things, there was just a study going around
talking about how one or two glasses of wine
is actually good for our microbiome. However,
you add 76 additives and other chemicals.
Who knows, right, higher alcohol contents?
I think we go against what we know is true
about wine. A little wine is—from the antioxidant
values to the fermentation, what it does for
our microbiome I think we’re just learning.
It has all types of benefits until we screw
that process up.
European wines, no doubt. We see that benefit
to the microbiome as opposed to the U.S. wines.
Obviously, European wines, one thing you pointed
out was—number one is that it’s illegal
to use irrigation, so they’re getting a
better fruit, obviously, a better product
even to make the wine with. They’re not
adding the additives, evidently. Some do though,
right? If you’re going to find natural wines,
you’re going to have to go to Europe. Am
I right on that?
Substantially, most natural wines, 95% are
produced in Europe. That does not mean all
European wines are natural.
There’s a very specific category. We’re
the largest reseller of natural wines in the
world now. If you were to buy wines from us,
you’re going to get a lab tested natural
wine that isn’t…
That’s where I was headed. That’s where
I was headed next. You have a criteria. We
risk it. Oh, natural wine, we order from them.
However, we don’t really know. Do they have
sugar or not? We really don’t know that.
You do. You test them.
Talk a little bit about that testing. One
of the things you look at too is the alcohol
content. Real wine really has a lower alcohol
content that we’re finding in the U.S. The
U.S. wines, the Napa wines, people like the
higher alcohol, so that’s probably part
of it. Talk about your criteria, and talk
about your testing. Really, that’s why I
want to buy wine from Todd.
Right. We have a very specific testing protocol.
We’re looking at alcohol. We’re looking
at sugars. Because I’m sugar free, I want
to drink wine that’s sugar free. Consequently,
it’s virtually carb free because the carbs
in wine are coming from sugar. We’re also
looking for mycotoxins like ochratoxin A.
There is no screening in the United States.
This is really interesting. Quite a few of
your audience and there are a lot of folks
in the health movement who were concerned
about molds, right, and quite a few people
who have allergies to mold. All of our wines
are tested for ochratoxin A, which is the
primary mold found in grape farming. The problem
in the United States, there is no screening
for ochratoxin A. It is not required by the
government. Now, you can get it screened.
You can lab test the wine for ochratoxin A,
and it is required. If you’re an American
wine producer and you export to Europe and
other parts of the world, they actually require
that you submit an ochratoxin A report as
a part of your export lab reports, right?
Our government doesn’t require that we look
at it here, so we’re also screening for
Here’s the interesting thing about alcohol.
Let’s talk about alcohol for just a second.
Alcohol is a toxic. I mean it’s a toxin.
It’s poisonous, right? So is water and oxygen
in the wrong dose, right?
Dosage really matters in everything that we
do, and the reason we talk about micro-dosing
alcohol. Let me talk about once again the
government and their collaboration with the
wine industry in not being honest with the
public. When you get American bottled wine
and it says 15% on the label, which is quite
common—alcohol levels have risen in wine
over the last couple of decades both as a
result of irrigation and as a result of wine
making styles, right? Americans, typically,
historically want bigger, bolder, bigger,
right? In everything, we just like big, right,
including alcohol and this boldness of taste.
That’s not how real wine tastes. Real wine
doesn’t have that kind of alcohol level
The resulting alcohol in a bottle of wine
will be determined by the sugar level in the
fruit at the time of picking. The higher the
sugar caused by irrigation—the higher the
sugar, the higher corresponding outcome of
alcohol will be. American wines now are—domestic
wines, commercial wines are typically seeing
14½ to 16, 16½% alcohol stated on the bottle.
Now when I say stated, what that means is
that the alcohol—the wine industry is back
in bed with the government, and the government
has allowed the wine industry to be dishonest
with you. What I mean by that, about alcohol,
is that what’s stated on the bottle by law
is not required to be accurate. If a wine
says 14% on the label, legally it can be as
high as 15½%. The wine industry gets up to
a point and a half to mislead you about how
much alcohol is in it.
Now, the reason that happened is because that
law was written back in post prohibition era
when the testing methods for alcohol were
not as accurate as they are today, but there’s
no reason for that to remain on the books
today. The lab methods for measuring alcohol
are extremely accurate today as technology
has evolved. Again, the wine industry wants
to keep that so they can fudge, and tell you
that there’s a lower amount of alcohol than
is actually in the bottle. The reason that
matters is because here’s what we want from
alcohol. Am I right? You can drink spirits.
Let’s talk about just drinking in general
for a moment. You can drink spirits, and we’re
talking about a 40% dose of alcohol, right?
Spirits are clean when they’re distilled.
In the Paleo movement or many people say you
should drink [00:21:56]. It’s plant based
and it’s distilled, so it’s clean.
I agree with of all that, except that the
alcohol dose is simply too high, right? You’re
talking about 40% alcohol. Then you can go
to traditional wines, which are 14 to 16,
17% alcohol, or you can go to beers, which
are strictly out for me for two reasons. Sugar
levels are too high and the gluten levels.
Even it’s gluten free, you sugar level and
high—your sugar level is very high in beer,
right, which is why you have the beer gut.
We know that’s an insulin response. It leaves
me with how do I get a responsible dose of
alcohol to achieve the following effect? I
only drink at night, generally around the
table. We don’t’ drink in the daytime
here. I don’t recommend people drink during
the daytime for a whole host of reason.
I said we fast during the day. We don’t
want to drink that. We want to keep it going.
Exactly, exactly. Here’s the benefit of
alcohol and how alcohol is just super positive,
an amazing drug, right? Here’s how it’s
positive. We’re around the dinner table.
We’re going to have a lift of euphoria,
a bringing of creative expression. We’re
going to have a little lowering of our vulnerability
window, which allows us to know one another
better, right, which allows us to bond. This
is the reason that people drink with their
buddies, and they have these bonding experiences,
right? We made ourselves a little bit more
open and available, right? It also helps to
settle our monkey mind, right, which I recommend
meditation for that first and foremost. It’s
going to help settle us into that community
around the table when everything else just
melts away, and that’s a beautiful thing.
That’s particularly beautiful when we’re
with people that we just met. I was at a dinner
party last night with about 20 folks around
a large table and about half of them I didn’t
know, right? This is an amazing experience
of community and sharing, and really love
and opening up and elevating euphoria. That’s
what’s terrific about alcohol. The problem
is when we crossover this side of that plateau,
now we’re losing cognitive connection. We’re
losing creative expression. We’re losing
that sense of community, and now were’ into
a place of oneness, right? That’s what we
want to avoid, and that’s the reason it’s
super important from my perspective to dose
down the amount of alcohol that you drink.
If you’re like me and most people, including
the people I was with last night, I’m not
going to drink a glass of wine. I’m going
to drink several over the course of the evening,
right? I want to start with a lower alcohol
product that allows me just to drink a little
bit more. Enjoy it longer, and frankly, lower
alcohol wines taste better with food. Alcohol
and food don’t taste great together. Well-crafted
wine and food taste well together. It brightens
the expression of food, but we got to keep
the alcohol level down, which is the reason
we don’t drink anything over 12½% alcohol.
Most of the wines I drink are 11%. I just
prefer the taste of a lower alcohol wine.
It allows me to drink a lot more of it without
any of the negative effects. I mean, I know
you’ve had that experience with our wine.
Yeah. No doubt about it. Being able to drink
more of it allows you the benefits of it,
really [00:25:33]. You’re getting more of
the benefits without the drawback. When we’re
dehydrated in the morning and at night, it’s
the alcohol. It’s the over alcohol that’s
dehydrating. When I drink your wines, I’m
not getting that. I’m not getting that dehydration
that I hate with regular wine. I mean, there
may be other reasons for it, but I would say
the alcohol is probably the number one reason
related to the dehydration.
What are some of the other things you test
for? I mean, you talked about the mold, the
number one mold in wine. You talked about,
obviously, the alcohol level. I’m sure you’re
looking at certain additives. What else do
We’re also doing random screening. We don’t
screen every wine for glyphosate, but we just
don’t find it. As you know, there was a
study done last year with three American wine
appellations showing 100% contamination with
glyphosate in all of the wines tested, both
from organic and nonorganic farms across three
appellations. The reason it’s speculated
that glyphosate is getting into American wines,
this is a really interesting concept, is from
the irrigation. The way Roundup is applied
is different than the way it’s applied in
other farming practices, which can be applied
by plane or with large sprayers. In a vineyard,
it’s applied very close to the ground in
a very narrow spot just underneath the grapevine.
The way it’s applied doesn’t really afford
the opportunity for overspray. When you’re
seeing glyphosate found in American wines
on organic farms where it’s not being used,
how did it get there? The most recent speculation
is that it’s coming in through irrigation.
That’s obviously because our wines are dry
farmed, and as I said, most all of Europe
is illegal. It’s illegal because the Europeans
who have been making wine for about 3,000
years—the reason irrigation is illegal in
Europe is because the Europeans know what
I know. The moment you start irrigating a
grapevine you change the fundamental character
of its fruit, and so in order to protect the
appellation and the quality…
Yeah. You froze up there for a second.
Lost you for a few seconds there.
[00:28:09] because you change the fundamental
character of the fruit.
Right. This is the reason that irrigation
is illegal in Europe is because Europeans
who have been making wine for 3,000 years
know what we know is that when you change
it to the fruit, you change the quality of
the wine, right? In order to protect their
brand quality, that’s the reason it’s
been made illegal. We’re also not seeing
this glyphosate issue in Europe the way that
we see it here.
Let’s have the obvious conversation, the
sulfite conversation that so many people know.
They blame the sulfites on everything. Now,
again, there is a difference in the level
of sulfites. Every natural fermentation process
is going to have them. Tell us a little bit
more about that if you could.
Sulfites is another element that we test for.
Sulfites are naturally occurring in all winemaking,
right? Whether you add additional sulfur dioxide,
which is used as a sterilizer and a preservative
by most wine makers worldwide, including excessive
amounts in commercial wines so that they can
create—they sterilize the wine so that they
create this shelf consistent. Every bottle
tastes the same just because we’ve sterilized
it. Let’s talk about sulfites and what’s
making most people feel bad when they drink
wines. It’s particularly inherent to how
red wines make people feel, right?
It’s not coming from the sulfites. Here’s
what we know about sulfites. White wines are
higher in sulfite than red wines, right? Most
people experience wine problems with red wines,
although with me it was historically just
the opposite. I couldn’t drink white wines.
The primary problem was the sugar level. If
I drink sugar, it gives me a headache, right?
I’m not accustomed to it.
Me too, I’m the exact same way. Yeah.
Right. Our white wines are also sugar free.
We test for sugar on every single wine in
addition to sulfite. We place a cap on sulfites
in wine at 75 parts per million. Now, the
U.S. limit allowed is 350 parts per million.
We place our cap at 75 parts per million because
naturally occurring sulfites can be as high
as 75 parts per million, although I would
tell you most of the wines that we sell and
test are under 30 or 40 parts per million
and many of them 5 to 10 parts, right, because
they have no added sulfur dioxide.
What sulfites do do to a wine, we don’t
believe—for most people, unless you experience
a legitimate sulfite allergy—and for those
people, they’re walking around with an EpiPen
in their pocket because sulfites are contained
in many foods, naturally occurring and added,
right? Most people don’t genuinely have—it’s
less than 1% of the population has a sulfite
allergy, right? What sulfites do do is when
they sterilize the wine, these huge doses
of sulfur, it removes the soul and the character
from that living, beautiful, soulful juice,
right? It just sterilizes it. It makes it
just this shelf consistent. Every bottle tastes
the same. That’s not how real wine tastes.
Real wine has soul and character, and it’s
alive, right? That’s what real wine tastes
Here’s what’s making most people feel
bad when they drink wines. It’s not the
sulfites. It’s generally these biogenetic
amines like tyramine and histamine. Those
are exaggerated in commercial winemaking practices
because of the way wines are made now, and
so you just inherently have a higher histamine
and tyramine level. This leads to tightness
and tension just in the forehead. It leads
to, for some people, spotchyness, or redness,
or a feeling of warmth that’s unnatural.
These are these biogenetic amines that are
really at work. I don’t have a particular
sensitivity to histamines, but if I drink
commercial wines, I can feel it right here
in the front. Right in the center just above
my—that’s tyramine and histamine, right,
and it gives you that tightness in the head,
a bit of—just a tightness. That’s unnatural.
You don’t get that from natural wines.
Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. I’ve tried to explain
that to people, so hopefully having this show,
you being the expert, you’ll get it across
to them. Meredith, I know you have some questions,
so we’ll turn it over to you.
Oh, okay, all right. Yeah. I’m glad because
I was going to ask him, you just answered
it, what people are mostly reacting to? I
think that’s great. Can you talk a little
bit more about the yeast, though? I’d like
to understand that a little bit more.
Let’s talk about how wine is made just real
quickly for your audience who may not be familiar—I
have to plug in my computer here—who may
not be familiar with how wines are made. This
is the most common question that I get when
I travel around the country. We sponsor all
of these. We’re the official wine for most
health conferences. People most often ask,
well, how can wine be sugar free? Doesn’t
it have sugar in grape juice? Isn’t it filled
with sugar? Yes. This is how it becomes sugar
This is how you make alcohol. When you inoculate
the fruit juice or anything with sugar in
it, potatoes—you can make alcohol out of
many things. Let’s just talk about wine
for a moment. When you inoculate the grape
juice with yeast, the yeast eats the sugar,
right? As it eats the sugar, the byproduct
to that is carbon dioxide and ethyl alcohol,
right? How a wine becomes sugar free is when
the winemaker allows the fermentation process
to complete and the yeast eats all of the
sugar. Now, what’s happening in commercial
wines is that the winemaker, again, is using
sulfur dioxide to kill the yeast prior to
its full fermentation leaving behind residual
sugar, in the industry, known as RS, which
of course we test for. We don’t want you
drinking sugar. I believe sugar is public
enemy number one for health. That’s how
wines are made.
Now let’s talk about a yeast for a moment.
Here’s what we don’t know because no one’s
funded any study around this. We do not know
what these genetically modified commercial
yeasts are doing to you and your body and
your mind. We don’t know. Here’s what
we do know. When we’re not using them, you
feel better, right?
There’s no research. I can’t tell you
what commercial yeasts are doing. I don’t
know. Here’s what we do know is that when
we remove the additives and we use a native
yeast that’s indigenous—it’s on the
skin of every grape. When we allow wine to
make itself naturally, we don’t have any
of these issues and problems. I mean, I’d
love to be able to give you some science studies
on the effects of commercial yeast. They just
Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Let me tell you something.
What we know about GMO, none of it’s good.
We know that there’s potential problems
all over the place, even with our microbiome,
so I’m sure it’s a big reason why we don’t
feel as well. Like I said, I’m sure the
studies will come eventually, but right now
I just want to avoid it.
Let’s shift gears. You have a book coming
out, man. It’s the keto. You’ve been keto
three years. It changed your world. Intermittent
fasting I always say was the thing I changed
over. At 51, it had the greatest impact. It’s
been a few years now doing intermittent fasting,
probably three, almost four. It had the greatest
impact on my health out of anything I ever
did. How did you find ketosis? How did you
find intermittent fasting, and what effect
have they had on you?
I discovered ketosis and the ketogenic diet
like most people do. Not everyone but like
most people, to break through a weight loss
plateau, right? I first experimented with
ketosis not understanding the ketogenic diet
at all in the 1980s with the Atkins Diet,
right? You might recall in the original Atkins
book, I mean, he was a proponent of reaching
ketosis, and this is before it was as sophisticated
or well understood as it is today. He suggested
using the urine sticks at that time to see
if—we know now that once you become fat
adaptive and you’re metabolically adjusted
to burning fat that the urine sticks are no
longer really accurate. Blood testing is the
gold standard for the measurement of ketose.
I had been experimenting with low-carb diets
over the years, but I had decided to experiment
about three years ago with ketosis to breakthrough
a weight loss plateau. I thought I had just
five more pounds I just personally wanted
to lose that I couldn’t seem to shake. In
fact, after I became ketogenic, I lost almost
an additional 20 pounds over the ensuing years
that I really had no idea that I really needed
Here’s been my experience with ketosis.
Most people begin to break through a weight
loss plateau, but in fact, I continued. The
reason that I’m a proponent and an evangelist
for the ketogenic diet today is really its
effect on the reduction of inflammation, so
you can even look in the face of someone who’s
ketogenic, or I have—everybody on my staff
is ketogenic. It’s not a requirement of
working here. It just happens to be who we
are, and most of the folks who work for me
are younger and happen to be quite thin. Even
when they became ketogenic, they didn’t
experience much weight loss, but what you
could really see is a restructuring in their
face. This tremendous melting away of puffiness
that’s even apparent—you don’t even
realize it’s there, particularly people
who are thin by nature. You don’t really
see them as inflamed. In fact, when they become
ketogenic, you see this melting away, and
you’ll see a more defined facial structure,
right? That’s inflammation. That was an
For me, the problem with the ketogenic movement
at the moment is that, even among health experts,
talk about how difficult it is to be on a
ketogenic diet, and I just don’t feel that
way. It’s a luxurious way to eat. I mean,
it just is exceptionally delicious and luxurious.
What my cookbook is really showing is, look,
this is a magnificent and pleasurable and
delicious way to live, right, and you’re
not actually depriving yourself of anything
other than some poisons.
Where do we get your cookbook, man?
Like everything else, we’re just never on
schedule. We’re just always constantly in
a struggle. We’re super busy this year.
Our business grew a hundred X because we sell
all these healthy wines that people just seem
to want to drink a lot of, right? We’ve
just been kind of busy.
Let’s talk about fasting for just a second
before we wrap up. I have to agree with you.
Intermittent fasting for me was probably—it
was so profound when I discovered it. I wanted
to share with your listeners for those—many
of them I’m sure are doing intermittent
fasting. The Leangains method, the 16, 18-hour
fast and 2 feedings in a 6 hour window is
the most popular fasting regiment, and the
one I followed for 2½ years or so. Six or
eight months ago—maybe it’s been a little
bit longer than that now. I adapted a single
feeding a day doing a 24 hour fast every day,
22 to 24 hours. I had the most profound impact.
When I went to a single feeding a day—I
hate to use the word feeding. It sounds so
Yeah, for animals. [00:40:53] and you’re
like this mrrr, mrrr.
Yeah, single feeding. I have such a romantic
relationship with food that I hate to call
it feeding because I just…
Let me give you a tip, one meal a day.
One meal a day, it’s been the…
You froze up again.
Once I went to a one meal a day program, I
have got new power, best at the gym. I got
boom. It’s like I had my personal best on
both high-intensity training as well as resistance
training for weightlifting. My personal best
after I went to [00:41:39] a day. I thought
I might experience just the opposite. I thought
I might experience some lean body loss or
a loss of power in not having that fuel. In
fact, just the opposite happened, and I work
out in the mornings in a fasted state.
I think the way you went about it is right
because some people—we’re dealing with
sick people, right? They struggle even at
14 hours, and then all of a sudden, that gets
easier. Then all of a sudden they can do 18,
then 20. I do probably 2 to 3 days a week
where I eat 24 hour, dinner to dinner, so
1 meal a day. One feeding a day when they
take me from the barn, and they give me—I
assure you it’s not oats. It’s more grass
Anyways, yeah, you know what? I’m telling
you, Todd. I mean, I agree. You become hormonally
optimized with the rise in growth hormone.
I mean, how many studies did I read, right
Meredith, at the seminar? It really is amazing.
However, it takes people some time to get
there. When people tried it right away, they
throw the baby out with the bath water because
their mitochondria are so damaged. They’re
inefficient. They just simply can’t do it
right away, but we have more methods. We have
Then I’ll tell you, Todd. What’s magic
for me is at least one day a week where I
actually purposely do eat more. It reminds
our body that it’s not starving. We know
that the body will hang onto that fat because
it becomes that precious. Just that one day
feast cycle, which I wrote an article called
Diet Variation, it really is just emulating
or imitating our ancestors and what they did,
what they were forced to do. I’m with you,
Todd. I mean, just powerful stuff, hormonally
changes, and you do become more anabolic and
lean all at the same time.
My advice and council to people is really
to ease into fasting. Also, if you practice
a ketogenic diet, once you become fat adaptive
and you’re burning fat as your primary fuel
source, fasting becomes so much easier.
Yeah. No doubt. No doubt.
Yeah. If you’re a glucose burner, fasting
can be really tough because your brain is
Yeah. No doubt. When you go into ketosis,
you’re supposed to release upon fat burning
something called cholecystokinin, which cholecystokinin
actually tells your body that it’s not hungry.
Therefore, you just don’t have to eat. It’s
easier to fast, right? Let me tell you something,
folks, though. The key is feasting in the
evening, making sure you eat enough. If you
try to caloric restrict by saying, okay, I’m
going to eat less, even for my dinner, your
body is going to think it’s starving. It’s
going to shut off all the fat burning, so
not a good idea.
Feast like our ancestors. Have a good glass
of wine or two, right, or three for that matter.
Todd, come on. With your wines, you can drink
a bottle for goodness sakes.
I drink a bottle every night.
Now, do you call that micro-dosing, Todd?
That is micro-dosing. We’ve lowered the
inherent amount of alcohol. When I say I drink
a bottle, we’ll start at dinner, and I eat
on the early side because I’m fasted. I
usually eat between 6 and 7 at night. We’re
going to start there. I don’t usually drink
without eating because I’m fasted, right?
I don’t want a jolt of alcohol to my brain,
so I’m going to eat with a meal. Then drinking
a bottle of wine will go on for three, or
four, or five hours before I go to bed. I
mean, it’s not like just sit down and hammer
a bottle back. It’s a gradual process, and
there’s food involved, and so that’s mitigating
part of the absorption.
You raise a good point, though. See, you’re
talking about one meal a day. When we look
at our ancestors, when we look at the Romans
and the Greeks and so many other cultures,
right, the Hebrew, I mean, they had this one
big meal a day where they sat down, but it
lasted two to three hours. I mean, Europe
still is that way more, right? I mean, it’s
this slow process of eating and feasting,
so I mean, it’s amazing what happens in
that process. Your body doesn’t think it’s
staring. What does it burn all day long through
the night? Fat, it burns it. You want to live
longer; you stabilize your glucose and insulin,
the only real way to do it. The only way of
doing it is not eating. Every time you eat,
even if it’s a salad, you spike your insulin
and glucose, right?
Todd, we have a saying on Cell TV. Don’t
eat less. Eat less often. That’s the key
to living longer, man. Eat less often.
That’s right. The other thing that you see,
when you talk about this longer dining period,
this is about a cultural value too. This is
how stories are shared. This is how love is
The one thing we can all do to make the world
a better place or as we say here how can we
be the change we want to see in the world?
The way we can be the change we want to see
is to spread more love. There’s no better
place than the dinner table to spread that
love, right, and to touch people you’re
with. We’re eating too often, and we’re
in too big of a hurry.
Man, I’ll tell you. Add a little of the
wine, right, the good stuff. I’m telling
you. It’s good for your adrenals. It’s
good for this. It’s good for your life.
I mean, yeah, we know the French and all these
cultures that lived long, healthy, without
heart disease. They’d drink some wine. Our
Lord and Savior drank wine.
I mean, come on. It’s part of the culture.
It’s what man has done to wine, just like
meat, just like dairy, just like wheat. Everything
we’ve ruined, commercialized. Wine is no
different. We’ve made bad for man. Let’s
go back to the old way, right, Todd?
I want to throw a caution out there because
some people think that they eat one meal a
day or two meals a day, but when you look
at it closer, they don’t consider this.
The handful of nuts or the scoop of coconut
oil is a meal often times, right? They’re
doing these things all day long. They don’t
realize it. It’s like give your body a break.
Truly fast and truly eat and enjoy, what you
Yeah. No question about it. I’m sure many
of your listeners are already on fasting regiments.
It’s one of the greatest biohacks of all
time, right? It’s natural. It’s ancestrally
correct. We know that. I mean, we’ve known
for two and a half million years sapiens have
been walking around. It’s been a couple
of thousand years arguably the agriculture
revolution was just 10,000 years ago, right?
Before the last 1 or 200 years, I mean, even
we had more regular intermittent fasting because
people didn’t have regular access to food.
If we look back prior to 10,000 years ago,
it was a daily practice. Sometimes people
went multiple days without eating.
That’s the thing we call block fasting here
on Cell TV where one or two fasts a year,
just like that. For patients getting their
health back, often times we have to fast them
once a month or every other month. Four or
five days, I’ll tell you what. Without food,
watch what happens. You know what? The Hunza
people did it every spring. They called it
starvation spring. The American Indians did
it. I mean, all of these tribes did it. Sometimes
they were forced to, but it also became something
that they just planned on because they knew
that these gaps were coming, and they wanted
to get their harvest ready, etc. They fasted.
Human are meant to fast. It’s healing. Animals
do it instinctively. We’re trying to teach
you all to do it.
Hey, Todd, thank you, and I’ll turn it back
over to Meredith to close us out.
Thank you guys so much. I didn’t expect
to be totally re-inspired to fast from this
show, but now I really am so awesome information.
Todd, you have such a generous offer for our
listeners. If you guys go to dryfarmwines
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Yeah. Check that out. Yeah. Dr. Pompa, you
can go to your own—you’re on your own.
I love Todd. I tell you. I love him. Let’s
just keep having him on just so we can keep
getting a bottle of wine for a darn penny.
Hey, we’ll have you back on when we do your
cookbook, man, when you get that sucker out
Dr. Pompa: All right, Todd. We appreciate
you, man. We appreciate you.
Yeah. Hey, listen, thanks for having me on
the show today. It’s just an awesome time.
Also, if any listeners want to contact me
direct, it’s just Todd, T-O-D-D, @dryfarmwines.com.
I promise to answer your emails. Also, I want
to say to all of you and to your audience
I love you. Thank you so much for having me
on today. Spread lots of love throughout the
world every chance you can, and spend more
time eating with your friends.
Yeah. Yeah. We love you too, Todd. Thank you,
All right, take care.
Amen. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for watching.
Enjoy your healthy wine, and we’ll see you